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the planets puppet-masters almost sure

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you have a plan it's clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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until we've thoroughly tested every last

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pose just did you find the boy you think

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you know much you really do

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no the lying to us just don't know what

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to green where would we be without you

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alright I are such headers we know the

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world is a game of Thrones style tug of

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war for power influence and control

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among ever emerging think tanks

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consortiums and cabal's whose only true

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common ground is the acknowledgment that

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the people are a resource to be slowly

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drained and exploited if you can only

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get them to believe you're on their side

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to me that's history in a nutshell and

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our modern era is no different just a

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slow erosion of any ground that's been

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gained with the oily appendages of these

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nefarious factions relentlessly creeping

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in from all sides yes it seems the only

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true choice of the people is how we want

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our centralized top-down authoritarian

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system packaged and gift-wrapped because

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for all the talk about social structures

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yokes and shackles around our necks well

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folks a deep dive into these very issues

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is the offering on the higher side table

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today as our resident alchemy and

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alternative science expert cha mangia

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near has requested we take a break from

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our elemental series to explore fascism

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more closely so let's get into it he

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taught us about ether and Ormus in Show

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1 broke down earth alchemy and advanced

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permaculture practices in show two and

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unknown qualities of h2o in show three

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here again to blow more mines in the US

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military Shema engineer my man

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welcome back excellent as always you got

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the best introductions on the web so ah

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just the old 9:00 to 5:00 so I'll dive

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right into it basically what we're

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discussing today is fascism sure you

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fascism has this you know kind of dual

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nature one people will describe it one

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way one people will described another

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way depending on your view but for right

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now I'm going to go ahead and get into

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the historical perspective and then we

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can build it up from there that's not

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that sounds great first of all in the

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18th century when the United States was

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with request with regard to government

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Hamiltonian for the Federalists and the

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Republican stances now the Federalists

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paramount and it overrode the states

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Jeffersonian now each of these

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philosophies is of course taking place

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positions of authority are granted by

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the world of people at the ballot box

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hierarchical bureaucracy these arguments

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people and of course as time goes on

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underreported on definitely and I mean

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antitrust regulations so I mean

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places will follow and the money power

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until wealth is aggregated in a few

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hands and their public is destroyed so

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conceding rights and privileges they had

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total sense to just because how many

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times in history have we seen these

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curtain while everybody's focused on the

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battlefield absolutely absolutely I mean

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to do something start a war first or

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an attack or something along those lines

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distraction of the Civil War of course

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things to have happened that happened

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structure of corporations I mean it

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citizens united was what made private

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natural person of the US Constitution

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rights and sovereignty that was enjoyed

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corporations right it seems to kind of

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the one that really stuck but it did

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people who have seen these problems

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before trying to make a new type of

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civilization society that kept them more

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in check and then these same old forces

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relentlessly they're just so persistent

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there were bread lines and and people

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find work wherever they could at that

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know we need a new deal and when he said

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that Wall Street was panicking because

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can't have all this progressive stuff

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workforce coming through because it'll

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basically erode what we've been building

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up since the civil war and so at the

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time fascism was growing in Europe and

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they decided to see what they could do

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in terms of fomenting a fascist coup in

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the United States and so in order to

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start a coup in the United States

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somebody was sent to Germany to see what

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Gerald Maguire and when he finished his

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scouting trip he was basically used to

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so basically what they wanted to do was

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take this large group of veterans who've

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been protesting and used them to act as

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kind of a brown shirt organization to

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take over DC and the reason why there

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they were given $60 in the train ticket

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home as the extent of their mustering

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out pay now veterans associations

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reforms to try and get a better deal and

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they ended up getting an agreement where

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they would each be provided about a

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thousand dollars in the form of bonus

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certificate that would grow with value

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over the years and would be able to be

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cashed out in 20 years so when the Great

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veterans ended up losing their jobs they

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didn't have anything at that point and

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they started basically tent city in

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Washington DC to try and get their

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pensions paid out and smoothly Butler

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was actually somebody who was there

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speaking out for the veterans at the

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time so he won a lot of favor with them

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from that but also during World War one

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he was in charge of a camp in Europe and

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all the people who went through there

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saw him as someone who was really Pro

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soldier who was you know always trying

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to stand up for them and give them what

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they needed to be happy and and do their

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job so when he was approached by Gerald

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Maguire basically what he said was you

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know we're gonna have an organization

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it's gonna start up and it's going to

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help fund and help promote you and your

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movement and right now we're just going

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to get it out there and that was the

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American Liberty League and the people

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who had supported that were people like

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General Foods makers of Maxwell House

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coffee Birdseye Colgate US Steel Heinz

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General Motors you know a lot of that

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came out during the formic Dickstein

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committee which was an investigation of

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all this after Smedley Butler and a

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reporter that he basically brought into

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his confidence brought their evidence to

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Congress right I thought that was just a

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fascinating chapter of history that

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isn't talked about I watched that plot

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to overthrow FDR documentary that you

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sent and it is just so crazy that you

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have this again really generically named

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Liberty League cooked up by the heads of

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these very corporations that we know are

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clearly not the good guys and the

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documentary they also say JPMorgan was a

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big financial backer of this so of

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course these should be red flags that

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are like wait a second

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I don't know if I want what these guys

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want and sure enough they tried to stage

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this coup and if it wasn't for Butler

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being like actually I'm not gonna lead a

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revolution

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against the president it could have

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happened yeah well they were talking

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about I think five or six hundred

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thousand veterans marching on DC kind of

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crossing Rubicon at work in order to

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cement this and basically cause a

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transition path and also I think

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Prescott Bush was involved at some

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degree with this right yeah I believe

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Hamburg American line or UBS the bank

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that he was in charge of was involved

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with the American Liberty League but

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both the Hamburg American line and UBS /

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Union banking were involved in banking

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with the Nazis funding them during the

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war and the Hamburg American line was

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also involved in transporting American

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journalists to Nazi Germany and Nazi

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spies coming back on the boats on their

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way back prior to the war hmm so he was

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definitely tied up in all this and

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actually Prescott Bush was the father of

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Herbert Walker Bush and the ties you

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know continued when when you know

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Herbert Walker Bush was running for

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president against I think was Clinton

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the second time around he had to

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basically expunge some people from his

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campaign who weren't I mean these

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weren't just Nazi sympathizers they were

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full-blown Nazi were criminals so I mean

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that's the level of connecticut's like

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direct it's a direct connection right

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there and then basically you know these

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ties continued through to the younger

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Bush during his years you know just not

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to as prominent 2° that mm-hmm right

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anyone can fast forward kind of from the

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FDR chapter we're talking about and see

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the successes and failures of the

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fascists in America clearly they got

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pretty high on the pyramid as time went

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on yeah so well I mean I believe it's

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Glen Eden talks about the CIA itself

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being a basically Nazi fascist

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organization that its founding the OSS

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it was largely made up of millet

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people and Wall Street people who are

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recruited from Wall Street and it's like

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why are they recruiting you know

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financial advisors and stockbrokers and

378
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stuff like that it's because you know

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there were kind of two groups in the OSS

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there was those who were primarily about

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the military side but then there were

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the people who are making sure that

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they'd be fulfilling financial interests

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and it was more the financial interests

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that took over the leadership as the CIA

386
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was founded and also there was this huge

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influx of Paperclip Nazis that were

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joining the ranks as well basically they

389
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were getting their hands on anybody they

390
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could to make sure that you know they

391
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they stayed out of the Soviet sense

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right and I love that concept of Nazi

393
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survival the kind of stuff that Joseph

394
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Ferrell and Catherine Austin Fitz talk

395
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about and they take it into that realm

396
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of tracking the black budget as evidence

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for a breakaway civilization born out of

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this Nazi survival Farrow uses the term

399
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fascist international quite a bit and it

400
00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:27,790
is just fascinating because there

401
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definitely seems to be evidence that

402
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that plan was in place when you look at

403
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things like the Red House report and in

404
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it they talk about an eventual

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re-emergence and so it does make you

406
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curious how long it would lay dormant

407
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before that reimagines would happen well

408
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in that report they talked about it

409
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basically initially being a economic

410
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coalition and then at some point it

411
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would kind of foment into the Reich

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there would be this political conversion

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that would take place and I think that

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you know we've seen with the creation of

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the EU and you know we've gone through

416
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those financial cycles since 2008 where

417
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every time Greece is you know hard up

418
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for cash who to go running to its German

419
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because Germany is really kind of the

420
00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:20,290
economic hegemony of the EU then just

421
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recently Germany started to consolidate

422
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their military with other European

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military units and I think that's part

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of the implementation that that second

425
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part of the Red House report mm-hmm and

426
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one of the Articles you had sent me

427
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about that

428
00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:43,870
talks about the very specific three-part

429
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plan that involved embedding their

430
00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:50,020
people in certain corporations and

431
00:18:55,169 --> 00:18:52,390
laying low in that regard and it's like

432
00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:55,179
yeah a lot of that has happens I mean

433
00:18:59,610 --> 00:18:57,370
what are the big corporations the oil

434
00:19:02,610 --> 00:18:59,620
industry big pharma which is

435
00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:02,620
petrochemicals and we always talk about

436
00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:04,510
on conspiracy shows like this eugenics

437
00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:08,140
campaigns which is Nazi ideology and a

438
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:10,510
lot of German companies do seem to still

439
00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:13,600
be at the head of their respective

440
00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:16,510
industries well we talked about eugenics

441
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and the Nazi eugenics program was

442
00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:21,520
actually based on American eugenics

443
00:19:28,860 --> 00:19:25,140
programs in the early 20th century also

444
00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:28,870
even today some of the heads of the

445
00:19:36,029 --> 00:19:33,100
Human Genome Project are grandsons of

446
00:19:38,399 --> 00:19:36,039
Nazi sympathizers one of them was

447
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:38,409
Francis of Dulles and another one was

448
00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:41,049
grandson of Harriman mm-hmm so Brown

449
00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:43,630
Brothers Harriman so you know that the

450
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,820
elites love to keep things within the

451
00:19:49,169 --> 00:19:47,679
family they are obsessed with their

452
00:19:51,870 --> 00:19:49,179
bloodlines and everything like that and

453
00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:51,880
that is in part with why this stuff

454
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,980
keeps getting handed down right

455
00:19:59,070 --> 00:19:56,080
it didn't seem like world war ii had a

456
00:20:00,899 --> 00:19:59,080
good way to end except for for them to

457
00:20:03,210 --> 00:20:00,909
go underground you know it's not like

458
00:20:07,769 --> 00:20:03,220
the Nazis necessarily lost the war they

459
00:20:10,350 --> 00:20:07,779
just kind of dispersed so basically

460
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:10,360
during the war many industrialists in

461
00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:12,250
the United States and in Britain were

462
00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:14,460
involved with supporting the Nazis

463
00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:16,870
supporters in America included Remington

464
00:20:25,409 --> 00:20:22,360
for GM ge IBM Standard Oil DuPont also

465
00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:25,419
the Nazi propaganda machine was based

466
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:28,750
off of Edward Bernays propaganda

467
00:20:33,539 --> 00:20:30,610
techniques and things like that that

468
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:33,549
were developed after World War one and

469
00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:37,090
the American education system was also

470
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based on German education when that was

471
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set up I mean this is prior to the war

472
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but that was set up in the late 19th

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early 20th century with Carnegie's and

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other industrialists setting up these

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schools and they were based basically on

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two things

477
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was the caste system in India that's why

478
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we have school districts and then the

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other thing was horse training

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00:21:08,010 --> 00:21:03,850
techniques which were eventually turned

481
00:21:10,830 --> 00:21:08,020
into a indoctrination program by the

482
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:10,840
Weimar Republic and so those were the

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00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:13,890
two bases that went into creating our

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modern-day educational system in the

485
00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:20,500
United States mm-hmm so getting back to

486
00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:23,590
the transactions that were going on

487
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:26,830
during the war FDR knew that there was

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money and weapons and fuel and

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00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:33,310
ammunition that were being provided to

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Germany through these American companies

491
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and often an intermediary in one of the

492
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neutral countries like Switzerland or

493
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:43,330
Norway you know things like that and

494
00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:45,610
those intermediaries

495
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,140
you know would get their cut and then

496
00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:50,320
they forward it on to the Germans and so

497
00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:52,900
a lot of these business contacts were

498
00:21:58,020 --> 00:21:56,230
what the Germans ended up utilizing once

499
00:21:59,790 --> 00:21:58,030
they got out of the country and those

500
00:22:02,190 --> 00:21:59,800
ratlines that were used to get the

501
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:02,200
Germans out of the country were actually

502
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:06,010
founded by the Catholic Church because

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00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:10,690
they had basically diplomatic immunity

504
00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:13,360
for couriers and they would be able to

505
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:15,910
coordinate this without anybody

506
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:20,110
stumbling across it and they also helped

507
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,210
to fund the Nazis and they didn't want

508
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:24,640
that to be known so they ended up

509
00:22:31,290 --> 00:22:27,210
helping them with their survival plan

510
00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:31,300
hmm and actually at the end of the war

511
00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:34,990
the American forces were basically

512
00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:36,790
coming in and you know what the British

513
00:22:42,410 --> 00:22:38,980
and things like that but the the groups

514
00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:42,420
that are basically found it to control

515
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:44,950
post-war Germany we're actually being

516
00:22:53,610 --> 00:22:48,090
seated with these Nazi sympathizers and

517
00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:53,620
they told the Allies to go talk to the

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00:22:59,640 --> 00:22:56,110
Catholic priests in each of those towns

519
00:23:02,790 --> 00:22:59,650
to find out who were good people to run

520
00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:02,800
that town or run this industry or run

521
00:23:08,219 --> 00:23:06,100
that as that transition took place so

522
00:23:10,349 --> 00:23:08,229
who do you think they point

523
00:23:12,029 --> 00:23:10,359
it's like classic regulatory capture

524
00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:12,039
it's something we talk about all the

525
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:14,769
time that the FDA is not actually there

526
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:17,529
for your safety these agencies that we

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00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:20,320
think are in place to protect us from

528
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,529
the nefarious corporations that really

529
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:25,840
don't give a [\h__\h] they're just as

530
00:23:29,999 --> 00:23:27,970
compromised so it only provides a false

531
00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:30,009
sense of security and that of course

532
00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:33,879
gets into left and right feelings about

533
00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:36,580
these agencies that people on the far

534
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,809
right would be like well let's get rid

535
00:23:41,249 --> 00:23:39,039
of them because they're no good and it's

536
00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:41,259
like whoops that seems like it's not

537
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,820
going to be any better the point is we

538
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:44,799
need to make them work for us not

539
00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:47,710
disband them completely otherwise we

540
00:23:53,219 --> 00:23:50,379
will just have glass of fate soaked

541
00:23:54,719 --> 00:23:53,229
crops and everybody will be on

542
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:54,729
petrochemical pills more than they

543
00:23:58,139 --> 00:23:55,210
already are

544
00:24:00,210 --> 00:23:58,149
well regulatory agencies nowadays

545
00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:00,220
they're you know paper tigers or

546
00:24:03,719 --> 00:24:01,960
toothless lions or whatever you want to

547
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:03,729
call them they're just kind of a

548
00:24:07,619 --> 00:24:05,710
placeholder for what we should really

549
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:07,629
have but a lot of them actually act as

550
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:11,320
more of a shield for these corporate and

551
00:24:16,379 --> 00:24:14,289
industrial interests because they

552
00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:16,389
present this public decide that we're

553
00:24:20,879 --> 00:24:18,759
doing stuff when actually they're just

554
00:24:23,489 --> 00:24:20,889
kind of like crossing the eyes and

555
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,499
dotting T's or something right and then

556
00:24:28,499 --> 00:24:26,080
they become the dominant authorities on

557
00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:28,509
what's good in a certain sector and so

558
00:24:31,710 --> 00:24:30,070
then it also works against the

559
00:24:34,109 --> 00:24:31,720
alternatives that we've talked about in

560
00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:34,119
the past which is like people start to

561
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:36,460
think oh well if something doesn't have

562
00:24:40,739 --> 00:24:39,369
that FDA stamp of approval it's probably

563
00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:40,749
not going to work or it might even be

564
00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:43,179
harmful so you're gambling with your own

565
00:24:46,979 --> 00:24:44,830
health and safety if you don't trust the

566
00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:46,989
experts so it really is like a double

567
00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:49,149
whammy for people and a serious win-win

568
00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:52,539
for these guys yeah so getting back to

569
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:55,720
the end of the of the war FDR knew that

570
00:25:00,299 --> 00:24:57,369
you know a lot of these transactions

571
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:00,309
were taking place but he actually died

572
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:02,710
just a few weeks after the end of the

573
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:06,159
war and what his plan had been was once

574
00:25:11,339 --> 00:25:08,529
the Allies came into Germany they were

575
00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:11,349
going to get a hold of the German

576
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:13,960
bankers and have them finger their

577
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:16,690
accomplices in the United States but

578
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:19,210
because of his death he was holding all

579
00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:21,370
of his contacts about who

580
00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:24,760
he knew about who were Nazi sympathizers

581
00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:27,340
in the United States once he died that

582
00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:29,080
didn't really go anywhere because he was

583
00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:30,670
he was keeping it so close he didn't

584
00:25:34,170 --> 00:25:32,380
really tell anybody what was going on

585
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:34,180
because he feared that he might get out

586
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,450
to the wrong people hmm

587
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:39,520
so that's one of the big reasons why

588
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,430
after the war it was just allowed to

589
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,760
flourish yeah so at this point I think

590
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:47,440
it's probably best to start going into

591
00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:51,160
Reich and Reich's views on fascism fair

592
00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:53,470
enough before we go into that I just

593
00:25:58,350 --> 00:25:55,390
wanted to ask him maybe step back and

594
00:26:00,540 --> 00:25:58,360
say you know we're doing this elemental

595
00:26:02,490 --> 00:26:00,550
series why step in and do a fascism

596
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:02,500
episode specifically now like we really

597
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,470
didn't say upfront why this does seem to

598
00:26:10,350 --> 00:26:07,600
be so timely in your opinion or why it

599
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:10,360
might be so important right now to get

600
00:26:15,299 --> 00:26:12,570
into this history fascinating as it is

601
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:15,309
well I mean I've been keeping an eye on

602
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,710
this for a while and you know a lot of

603
00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:20,470
my research and operation Gladio touched

604
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:22,030
on this and things like that

605
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:25,630
so it really has to do a lot with what

606
00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:27,010
we're seeing today in terms of the

607
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:29,140
political climate you're seeing Nazis

608
00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:31,690
marching in the streets and you're

609
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,620
seeing this clash of ideologies that's

610
00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:38,080
happening all over America between

611
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,040
families you know and between different

612
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:44,820
groups that are allowing each other and

613
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:48,400
just the whole way it's going seems like

614
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:53,140
you know it's all being kind of steered

615
00:26:58,380 --> 00:26:56,890
towards fascism either way right when

616
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,390
you look at a lot of what's going on in

617
00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:00,480
the left and on the right they're both

618
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:03,640
talking about you know I mean just look

619
00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:05,950
at okay we there's this whole fake news

620
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:07,750
thing going on and what's the response

621
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:10,690
is to say okay well we're gonna say this

622
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:11,980
is fake news we're going to say that's

623
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,290
fake news but it's just kind of like

624
00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:17,200
ranking systems and algorithms and you

625
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:19,540
know not things that actually would

626
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:23,530
explain why or what's the methodology

627
00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:24,970
that's going into this it's just kind of

628
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:26,830
like here's what's good for you

629
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:30,190
eat up exactly it's like it's easy to

630
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:32,410
criticize the right of course right now

631
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:35,170
because they are the party and power

632
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:37,960
but you are correct and that it seems to

633
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:39,220
be coming from both sides I think it's

634
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,650
just because both sides are so polarized

635
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:43,360
to such extremes that the idea of

636
00:27:48,030 --> 00:27:45,730
cooperation is impossible so then it

637
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:48,040
becomes well I just need to get my way

638
00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:50,290
and how do you get your way is fascism

639
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:53,020
you know you get your way with dictators

640
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:55,960
and Authority and centralized control

641
00:28:00,480 --> 00:27:58,930
and the left has got this punch of Nazi

642
00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:00,490
meme which from a centrist

643
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:02,200
interpretation is punch anyone who

644
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:03,820
doesn't agree with me as long as they're

645
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:06,430
labeled a Nazi it's okay to incite

646
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:08,170
violence against them you got them doing

647
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:10,120
the word police stuff attacking all

648
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:12,130
these comedians they want everything to

649
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:16,150
be PC I mean this is nanny state type

650
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:19,240
stuff and I [\h__\h] hate it but then of

651
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:21,510
course on the right you look at Trump's

652
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,710
cabinet I mean people I don't know how

653
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,320
people think this guy is on their side

654
00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:28,320
you can just go down the list I actually

655
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,180
took a big list out of one of the

656
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:34,000
articles that you gave me and it says

657
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,960
that five of the 15 people nominated by

658
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:40,000
Trump as cabinet secretaries have no

659
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,130
public sector experience of have only

660
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:44,080
spent their entire careers in the

661
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:46,570
corporate sector that would be more

662
00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:48,700
business people with no public sector

663
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:51,220
experience that have ever served in any

664
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,370
cabinet at any one time that uh Betsy

665
00:29:00,090 --> 00:28:57,760
Davos chick she's the education

666
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:00,100
secretary she's been a billionaire

667
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:04,090
married to an Amway conglomerate Andrew

668
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:06,370
putz Durr has been nominated as labor

669
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:08,530
secretary he's a billionaire CEO of a

670
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,620
fast food chain don't forget that BOCES

671
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:14,640
you know brother is a head of Blackwater

672
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:16,780
right right yeah that's another

673
00:29:22,590 --> 00:29:20,050
connection that Wilbur Ross guy who is a

674
00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:22,600
nominee for Commerce Secretary he's a

675
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:25,480
billionaire financier who invests in

676
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:27,130
buying and selling companies in

677
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:27,760
distressed

678
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:29,770
industries specifically who made his

679
00:29:35,010 --> 00:29:32,740
entire fortune or who made his early

680
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:35,020
fortune as a fund manager at the

681
00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:37,960
Rothschild group it's just crazy

682
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:41,230
Vincent viola Trump's nominee for army

683
00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:42,910
secretary he's a billionaire former

684
00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:44,860
chairman of the New York Mercantile

685
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:48,870
Exchange these are all connected people

686
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,650
Gary Cohn worked for Goldman Sachs so

687
00:29:56,779 --> 00:29:54,720
like if you're gonna criticize Obama's

688
00:30:00,080 --> 00:29:56,789
cabinet for being stacked with CFR

689
00:30:02,539 --> 00:30:00,090
members and lawyers that work for banks

690
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:02,549
you got to do the same thing here what

691
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:05,190
about Rex Tillerson the dude from Exxon

692
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:08,610
Mobil like he is not a good candidate

693
00:30:13,460 --> 00:30:10,200
for Secretary of State just because he

694
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:13,470
ran a [\h__\h] Oil Company so it really is

695
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:15,809
sickening to see these exact same people

696
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:19,890
in a cabinet of what's thought to be the

697
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,470
polar opposite party it's just nonsense

698
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:25,200
yeah I agree completely before we get to

699
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,080
the right stuff I think I'll talk about

700
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:30,360
Operation Gladio Carol rosin and

701
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:32,970
Bernhard von Braun and a bit more the

702
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:35,220
red house plan that's okay

703
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:39,330
sure absolutely so one of the things

704
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:40,830
that you know I think is worth

705
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:43,370
mentioning with regard to the Nazis is

706
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:46,710
also that there's a witness in the form

707
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:48,630
of dr. Carol rosin she used to work with

708
00:30:53,899 --> 00:30:50,520
Wernher von Braun when he was at

709
00:30:56,139 --> 00:30:53,909
Fairchild industries and what he told

710
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,149
her he was dying a cancer at the time

711
00:31:02,960 --> 00:30:58,919
was basically that there's gonna be a

712
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:02,970
push for space-based weapons and there's

713
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:05,970
gonna be several phases to what's going

714
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:07,770
to be driving this the first is

715
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:09,750
basically the Communists which she

716
00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:12,899
already saw at the time and then he said

717
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:16,100
it was going to be basically terrorists

718
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:18,690
countries of interests what we call now

719
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,970
but like you know third party tin-pot

720
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:22,980
dictator z-- then it was going to be

721
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:25,770
asteroids and then an alien invasion is

722
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,770
what he told her and right and what he

723
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:31,279
said was you know and it's all made up

724
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:34,890
none of it's true it's all complete

725
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:35,850
fiction

726
00:31:44,299 --> 00:31:39,960
so the thing is that right there there's

727
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,309
a well-known Nazi who was at a high

728
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:46,380
enough level to actually know what the

729
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,260
heck was going on this and another thing

730
00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:50,640
of it that's interesting with Wernher

731
00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:52,700
von Braun is he did some Disney

732
00:31:57,980 --> 00:31:54,870
documentary films and stuff like that

733
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:57,990
there was one about space travel and in

734
00:32:02,030 --> 00:32:00,600
that he actually said that the future of

735
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:02,040
space travel was electric

736
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:04,560
crafts so that's another interesting

737
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:06,810
thing but basically what he was alluding

738
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:09,950
to there with you know terrorism was

739
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:13,560
what has been known today as Operation

740
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:16,490
Gladio so at the end of World War two

741
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:18,750
basically what's happening is there's

742
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:21,030
Germany split down the middle you've got

743
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:24,840
half of Germany over on the Soviet side

744
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,580
you got half of Germany on the native

745
00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:30,000
side and then and I mean what what a

746
00:32:33,770 --> 00:32:32,040
great way for it to end for Germany to

747
00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:33,780
be able to play both sides off of each

748
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,990
other right all right and actually you

749
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:38,520
know when they were picking out people

750
00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:40,650
to be in charge of things in Germany

751
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:42,750
during that Reconstruction period the

752
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:46,290
person they chose was I can't remember

753
00:32:50,030 --> 00:32:47,700
his name off the top of my head right

754
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:50,040
now but he was basically an SS general

755
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:52,950
who was put in charge of the secret

756
00:32:59,540 --> 00:32:56,520
services and he started what they call

757
00:33:03,170 --> 00:32:59,550
they stay behind missions and ran them

758
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:03,180
in Europe and those are where they they

759
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,690
had different units of soldiers from the

760
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Allies but also a lot of them were

761
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:12,210
former Nazis who were embedded in cells

762
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:17,100
within Europe and the initial plan for

763
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:20,370
this was okay they're there in case of a

764
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:23,340
Soviet invasion but basically once you

765
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:26,310
had nuclear weapons take prominence in

766
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:28,770
the 60s basically once the stockpiles

767
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:30,390
were built up on both sides and there

768
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:33,180
was kind of this well we don't want

769
00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:35,280
mutually assured destruction so kind of

770
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:38,160
ground war is really on the plate for

771
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:41,760
right now there became this emphasis on

772
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:44,670
man destined operations and being able

773
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:46,890
to leverage these people in the case of

774
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:50,550
domestic threats hmm so in this case

775
00:33:58,670 --> 00:33:54,150
what what that meant was if there was

776
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:58,680
opposition to certain policies if there

777
00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:01,980
was a rising communist movement within

778
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:03,960
the country and there was a vote coming

779
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:06,930
up then you'd see more these terrorist

780
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:09,090
attacks happened to kind of steer the

781
00:34:16,359 --> 00:34:14,220
country away from communism by these you

782
00:34:19,299 --> 00:34:16,369
know you basically got Nazi

783
00:34:21,099 --> 00:34:19,309
being involved in all this but what they

784
00:34:23,289 --> 00:34:21,109
were doing is they were creating these

785
00:34:25,089 --> 00:34:23,299
terrorist attacks and then false flag

786
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:25,099
blaming them or communists of course

787
00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:28,729
we're leftist yeah and so that's kind of

788
00:34:34,329 --> 00:34:30,679
the foundation and this is you know

789
00:34:37,149 --> 00:34:34,339
basically from like 1940s and 50s up

790
00:34:40,479 --> 00:34:37,159
through to the 90s that this is going on

791
00:34:43,779 --> 00:34:40,489
so you're talking about 50 years and

792
00:34:46,269 --> 00:34:43,789
then what happened was when it came out

793
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:46,279
there was this guy who was involved in

794
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:48,049
one of these organizations and he went

795
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,409
to the press and when he did that it

796
00:34:55,029 --> 00:34:53,359
kind of blew this whole thing open it

797
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:55,039
turned out that you know the secret

798
00:34:57,969 --> 00:34:56,389
services of all these different

799
00:35:00,219 --> 00:34:57,979
countries were involved basically

800
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:00,229
everybody in NATO as well as the United

801
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:02,930
States and the CIA was involved and my

802
00:35:08,019 --> 00:35:05,180
six was involved you know all these kind

803
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,029
of clandestine groups and it was it was

804
00:35:14,799 --> 00:35:11,440
this big brouhaha so basically those

805
00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:14,809
operations weren't went and active at

806
00:35:21,069 --> 00:35:18,259
that time but there were also operations

807
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,079
that order you know set up in Greece and

808
00:35:27,489 --> 00:35:23,119
Turkey and Turkey was what actually

809
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:27,499
things fell back to and kind of the more

810
00:35:31,959 --> 00:35:29,630
European operations up to the 90s

811
00:35:34,779 --> 00:35:31,969
Daniel Ganser he does a very good job of

812
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:34,789
discussing those and then going into

813
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:38,390
Turkey and kind of the proliferation of

814
00:35:43,539 --> 00:35:41,390
the what's called Gladio be networks

815
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:43,549
where you start getting into Arab

816
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:45,710
terrorists and things like that that's

817
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:47,930
covered by Sibel Edmonds who was a

818
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:50,960
turkish translator working today at the

819
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,609
FBI at the time and she actually

820
00:35:57,219 --> 00:35:54,890
stumbled across you know a cell within

821
00:35:59,140 --> 00:35:57,229
the FBI that was trying to you know

822
00:36:02,979 --> 00:35:59,150
derail her investigations in that line

823
00:36:05,859 --> 00:36:02,989
11 and then her partner on the boiling

824
00:36:09,069 --> 00:36:05,869
frogs post podcast james corbett he does

825
00:36:12,999 --> 00:36:09,079
a very good job of kind of elaborating

826
00:36:15,309 --> 00:36:13,009
on you know how that's grown into this

827
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,319
islamic network and how it's gone back

828
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:17,839
into europe and things like that and

829
00:36:22,809 --> 00:36:20,359
actually one thing that's very important

830
00:36:26,739 --> 00:36:22,819
to note with all this is that mohammed

831
00:36:30,099 --> 00:36:26,749
audit one of the hijackers in 9/11 he

832
00:36:32,259 --> 00:36:30,109
was actually he already knew how to fly

833
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:32,269
when he was learning how to fly in the

834
00:36:38,019 --> 00:36:35,210
United States and Florida and he had

835
00:36:39,759 --> 00:36:38,029
like you know four different passports

836
00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:39,769
and identities and things like that and

837
00:36:43,539 --> 00:36:41,180
this is all coming from his girlfriend

838
00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:43,549
there's a very good interview by the

839
00:36:48,130 --> 00:36:46,039
maker of the documentary Mohammed on his

840
00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:48,140
Flying Circus and that's available on

841
00:36:53,049 --> 00:36:50,109
YouTube but she basically talks about

842
00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:53,059
him you know like doing cocaine drinking

843
00:36:58,420 --> 00:36:56,059
all the time you know he always had you

844
00:37:00,910 --> 00:36:58,430
know lots and lots of money he was going

845
00:37:04,019 --> 00:37:00,920
to like strip clubs and you know not

846
00:37:08,499 --> 00:37:04,029
really the profile of a you know

847
00:37:12,249 --> 00:37:08,509
adherent islamist more of like okay of

848
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,259
fly-by-night CIA operative or some tight

849
00:37:16,809 --> 00:37:14,720
and when she says that when he actually

850
00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:16,819
like he was hanging out with south

851
00:37:23,019 --> 00:37:20,390
africans and austrians and when he

852
00:37:24,999 --> 00:37:23,029
actually got his orders for what he was

853
00:37:29,859 --> 00:37:25,009
going to do the guy he was he met with

854
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:29,869
his name was reinhard so you know you're

855
00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:32,930
talking about the same sort of group and

856
00:37:38,170 --> 00:37:35,660
actually Osama bin Laden when he was

857
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:38,180
growing up he was like being bounced on

858
00:37:45,059 --> 00:37:41,210
the knees of Nazis because there was

859
00:37:47,259 --> 00:37:45,069
this whole relationship between Arab

860
00:37:49,029 --> 00:37:47,269
fascists and actually there are all

861
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:49,039
sorts of different fashions in different

862
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:51,230
countries who actually went to work for

863
00:37:58,539 --> 00:37:55,210
the SS there was an Indian SS contingent

864
00:38:00,999 --> 00:37:58,549
Turkish SS contingent like all these

865
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:01,009
different countries and actually in

866
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:04,460
Turkey there was a general called attic

867
00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:08,210
urge an addict urk was the one who

868
00:38:13,779 --> 00:38:10,430
slaughtered and killed millions of

869
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:13,789
Armenians and that was the model that

870
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:17,890
Hitler used for his exterminations hmm

871
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:20,450
so you know there's all these ties

872
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:24,079
between you know the Germans and these

873
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:27,049
Arab fascists the primary group is the

874
00:38:32,499 --> 00:38:30,710
Muslim Brotherhood right so and all this

875
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:32,509
stuff that we're seeing today in terms

876
00:38:37,299 --> 00:38:34,430
of terrorist attacks I think it all kind

877
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:37,309
of really boils down to this Nazi

878
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:40,670
survival this Nazi network that survived

879
00:38:45,819 --> 00:38:43,430
the war actually Reinhardt Galen was the

880
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:45,829
german intelligence after the war though

881
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,369
the SS general and he was he was the one

882
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:51,440
who was really pumping up truman right

883
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:54,890
after the war to see Russia as a threat

884
00:39:00,370 --> 00:38:57,730
like he was 40 all this false

885
00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:00,380
intelligence telling him what they were

886
00:39:04,059 --> 00:39:01,640
doing that they weren't really doing

887
00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:04,069
well let me ask you this just because I

888
00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:06,230
know it's gonna come up in the comments

889
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:07,880
section and a lot of listeners might be

890
00:39:11,769 --> 00:39:09,950
thinking what about Israel's involvement

891
00:39:14,589 --> 00:39:11,779
in state-sponsored terrorism because in

892
00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:14,599
events like the Charlie Hebdo situation

893
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:17,180
it seems like you can reverse-engineer

894
00:39:22,089 --> 00:39:20,089
it look back from that point and see

895
00:39:25,749 --> 00:39:22,099
that world leaders who tended to be

896
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,759
criticizing Israel's actions they seem

897
00:39:30,579 --> 00:39:28,160
to be the countries who soon after got

898
00:39:34,859 --> 00:39:30,589
hit with some form of terrorism so I

899
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:34,869
felt like that was a pretty sound

900
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,849
conclusion and I don't think it has to

901
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:39,680
be either/or of course it's always like

902
00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:41,690
anyone who spends time on the Nazis

903
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:42,980
you'll get comments oh well you're

904
00:39:47,739 --> 00:39:44,630
distracting from the spotlight which

905
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:47,749
should be on Israel and vice versa but I

906
00:39:52,509 --> 00:39:50,710
don't understand why it can't be both

907
00:39:55,989 --> 00:39:52,519
but I don't know I guess I would just

908
00:39:58,269 --> 00:39:55,999
ask you how would you fold that in well

909
00:40:01,329 --> 00:39:58,279
so I mean anybody who really takes an

910
00:40:05,049 --> 00:40:01,339
objective look at Israel who are the

911
00:40:05,799 --> 00:40:05,059
Jewish fascists right but if you look at

912
00:40:09,009 --> 00:40:05,809
what they're doing to the Palestinians

913
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:09,019
right that is if that isn't a multi mile

914
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:10,819
concentration camp but I don't know what

915
00:40:18,279 --> 00:40:14,420
is now so basically the Zionists were

916
00:40:21,279 --> 00:40:18,289
kind of Jewish fascists and they wanted

917
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,289
to impose their authority on the Holy

918
00:40:26,259 --> 00:40:24,079
Land and take that over and that was

919
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:26,269
something that was basically implemented

920
00:40:30,849 --> 00:40:27,710
at the end of World War two

921
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,859
but leading up to that Hitler actually

922
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:33,680
struck a deal with scientists before the

923
00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:35,690
final plan was implemented he would

924
00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:38,329
allow Zionist Jews to leave the country

925
00:40:43,029 --> 00:40:41,420
and go to Palestine and so the Zionists

926
00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:43,039
were setting up little colonies in

927
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:47,660
Palestine even before the war mm-hmm so

928
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,920
you know it's it's a kind of a subtle

929
00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:53,359
thing because especially since most

930
00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:55,540
people don't know about that

931
00:41:00,930 --> 00:40:57,550
I mean when you look at the aftermath in

932
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:00,940
terms of what has happened to the people

933
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:04,390
who used to live on on the land you can

934
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:07,230
see that you know clearly it's not a

935
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:10,060
wholesome expression of government over

936
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:12,550
there of course and you know I didn't

937
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:14,350
mean to take you off track but it just

938
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:15,910
seems to be one of those things that you

939
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,770
have to mention on a show like this

940
00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:20,560
fascism comes in many different rappers

941
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:23,500
and many different flavors and you'd be

942
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:26,170
crazy not to oppose all of it oh

943
00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:28,270
definitely and we're going to get into

944
00:41:32,670 --> 00:41:30,340
more of that as we continue there enough

945
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:32,680
so you know you kind of got to break it

946
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:36,370
up into chunks cuz they're so big now I

947
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:39,190
think we're ready for right sure sure

948
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:41,830
so we'll hum right we've talked about

949
00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:44,560
him before he was he was a contemporary

950
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:47,620
of Freud but one thing that you know we

951
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:50,170
haven't talked about really is his talks

952
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:53,490
and books about the role of fascism and

953
00:41:58,620 --> 00:41:55,510
he wrote a book called the mass

954
00:42:02,010 --> 00:41:58,630
psychology of fascism and actually he

955
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:02,020
was pursued by both the SS and the KGB

956
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:05,290
across multiple countries so he's

957
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,850
someone who's very familiar

958
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:09,760
he was also visited by the FBI but that

959
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:11,980
was basically to make sure that he

960
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:14,310
wasn't a Nazi when she came to America I

961
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:17,770
wanted to read this from our emails

962
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:20,680
where you say just with a little more

963
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:22,210
detail what you pretty much just said

964
00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:24,850
and that Reich was pursued by the SS KGB

965
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:27,340
and FBI over his theories research in

966
00:42:32,190 --> 00:42:29,800
books there is also substantial evidence

967
00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:32,200
that it was a KGB mole in the FBI that

968
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:33,700
actually got the case against reich

969
00:42:37,470 --> 00:42:35,470
started that resulted in his

970
00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:37,480
incarceration and death shortly before

971
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:39,160
his release of heart-failure quote

972
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:42,790
unquote but reich in fact sits alone as

973
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:44,920
the sole person in the history of the

974
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,930
united states to have been required to

975
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:48,880
burn his own books and research

976
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:51,430
materials in a small bonfire on the lawn

977
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:53,890
or to have all copies of his books

978
00:43:01,440 --> 00:42:58,420
burned by court order in 1956 and 1960

979
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:01,450
he was also a part of the nazi book

980
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,160
burning so if there is an authoritarian

981
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:05,680
entity anywhere in the vicinity of dr.

982
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,810
Reich he seems to have caught their

983
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:09,040
attention and

984
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:11,350
immediate wrath and I think that's just

985
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:13,900
great to point out because it's like

986
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:16,450
yeah any ideas the elite want to crush

987
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:18,250
those are ideas that I don't mind

988
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:19,540
hearing about you know what I'm saying

989
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:21,490
like clearly there's a reason to listen

990
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:23,320
if no matter what side of the political

991
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:25,150
spectrum they're on these authority

992
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:27,220
figures are like no crush this this has

993
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:30,430
to go away yeah yeah definitely and I

994
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:32,110
think that's probably a great place to

995
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:36,810
start the way he discussed it was as

996
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:40,050
reactionary and revolutionary thought

997
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:42,850
what I would characterize that is more

998
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:45,870
authoritarian and egalitarian flawed

999
00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:47,790
authoritarianism is a structure

1000
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:50,320
dominated by fear centralized Authority

1001
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:52,030
and psychological and sexual oppression

1002
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,090
and egalitarian social structure is one

1003
00:43:58,980 --> 00:43:56,560
which is characterized by respect

1004
00:44:00,750 --> 00:43:58,990
consideration for all the decentralized

1005
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:00,760
authority and psychological and sexual

1006
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:04,290
freedom I'd like to read a little bit

1007
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,290
from that primer I gave you on

1008
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:10,000
authoritarian and egalitarian thought

1009
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:13,420
sure to just kind of give some very

1010
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:16,890
clear examples and different modes of

1011
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:21,370
philosophy so egalitarian values do unto

1012
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:22,660
others as you would have them do unto

1013
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:23,140
you

1014
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:26,110
reciprocity authoritarian values look

1015
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,270
strong successful rich your strength

1016
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:30,160
must control your weakness strong men

1017
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,590
must control weak boats ruled for

1018
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:33,760
egalitarians

1019
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,170
democracy rights as an effective vote

1020
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:40,000
equal opportunities and money and power

1021
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:42,850
and authoritarian values money rules

1022
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:45,220
oligarchy has the right to trick voters

1023
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,530
they set privileges and ranks and money

1024
00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:48,720
in power

1025
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:50,860
egalitarian values are human rights

1026
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:52,270
freedom of the press and info

1027
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:55,180
masturbation integration voting rights

1028
00:45:00,660 --> 00:44:57,160
women's suffrage equal pay for equal

1029
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:00,670
work nature conservation authoritarian

1030
00:45:04,980 --> 00:45:02,650
values or property rights freedom to own

1031
00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:04,990
the press slavery people's property

1032
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:08,350
segregation by race wealth total taxes

1033
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:10,180
and intimidation women's silence

1034
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:12,040
traditional roles and rewards and to

1035
00:45:18,380 --> 00:45:14,680
exploit resources there's some very

1036
00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:18,390
clear differences in the way these two

1037
00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:21,600
philosophies think about how power

1038
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:22,750
should

1039
00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:25,930
expressed within the world in his book

1040
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:28,420
right makes the arguments that these

1041
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:30,460
modes of expression of power are not

1042
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:32,290
instilled in children primarily from

1043
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:34,690
their education or later employment but

1044
00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:36,130
rather in the structure of the family

1045
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:38,440
has been discussed previously on your

1046
00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:40,270
show for the first years of development

1047
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:42,820
their brainwaves are such that they're

1048
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:44,740
actually kind of in a trance for the

1049
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:46,270
first five to eight years of their life

1050
00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:49,150
and that brainwave that's especially

1051
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:51,220
elevated as a theta brainwave and

1052
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:53,110
actually one thing I'd like to mention

1053
00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:55,180
is that seven about seven years is the

1054
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:56,470
length of time in the answer

1055
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:58,930
anthroposophical schools where

1056
00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:00,700
children's learning is characterized by

1057
00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:02,980
play and they're encouraged to explore

1058
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:04,780
the environment with supervision from an

1059
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:07,690
adult so I mean even as far back as

1060
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:09,850
Rudolf Steiner there seems to have been

1061
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:13,660
he understood kind of what this what

1062
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:15,970
this meant in terms of how development

1063
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:19,750
should unfold so it's during this time

1064
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:21,610
that the child's boundaries are being

1065
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:23,500
set and their character is developing

1066
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:25,590
that has a prime role in development of

1067
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:28,540
their role in society if during these

1068
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:30,370
formative years boundaries are set on

1069
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,500
pure authority the child learns not to

1070
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:34,930
question authority as this is often met

1071
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:36,730
with punishment in a more egalitarian

1072
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:38,860
method of child rearing children are

1073
00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:40,450
taught the reasons that a rudimentary

1074
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:43,000
level behind the boundaries being set

1075
00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:44,950
and if questions are posed further

1076
00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:47,020
answers are given these two modes of

1077
00:46:50,670 --> 00:46:48,220
rearing may be characterized as

1078
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:50,680
patriarchal and matriarchal as each

1079
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,630
embodies either projective or receptive

1080
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:54,880
modes of expression these modes of

1081
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:57,130
sexual is the modes of sexual expression

1082
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,930
allowable to children are also very

1083
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:00,880
different in these philosophical

1084
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:04,450
foundations so in his book write

1085
00:47:09,150 --> 00:47:06,610
discusses matriarchal families as being

1086
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:09,160
primarily characteristic of indigenous

1087
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:11,890
societies and patriarchal societies

1088
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,450
being characterized by civilized

1089
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,480
societies and if you look at kind of the

1090
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,900
way that they look at livestock in

1091
00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:21,520
indigenous societies typically what

1092
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:24,100
would happen is you would hunt but the

1093
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:27,100
animal is free to express itself it

1094
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:28,990
moves throughout the land

1095
00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:30,790
there aren't any fences blocking it up

1096
00:47:36,329 --> 00:47:34,630
and it's basically you know it is what

1097
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:36,339
it is and you're just

1098
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:37,690
you're just going out and taking what

1099
00:47:44,999 --> 00:47:41,410
you need whereas with the civilized

1100
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:45,009
societies they've decided to put strict

1101
00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:48,249
limits on the movement and behavior of

1102
00:47:53,969 --> 00:47:50,369
their animals domesticating them and

1103
00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:53,979
basically dominating them for their

1104
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:56,920
control and so I think this is this is

1105
00:48:01,799 --> 00:47:59,140
something to take into consideration

1106
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:01,809
when you understand the ways that these

1107
00:48:07,709 --> 00:48:04,900
two mindsets look at people you know

1108
00:48:10,349 --> 00:48:07,719
just just other living creatures to

1109
00:48:12,569 --> 00:48:10,359
begin with in matriarchal societies

1110
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:12,579
childhood sexual expression tends to be

1111
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:14,380
characterizes by the choices of the

1112
00:48:18,329 --> 00:48:16,089
child with guidance they're allowed to

1113
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,339
play doctor and do it over they they

1114
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:20,559
want as long as it's not you know

1115
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,390
something that's really disturbed or

1116
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:25,599
pathological and patriarchal societies

1117
00:48:30,209 --> 00:48:27,940
childhood expression is characterized by

1118
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:30,219
its negation children adolescents are

1119
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:32,170
discouraged I returned from exploring

1120
00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:34,049
their sexuality until biological

1121
00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:37,900
maturity or marriage and primarily in in

1122
00:48:44,009 --> 00:48:40,900
patriarchal societies traditionally it's

1123
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:44,019
been marriage so that's actually a way

1124
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:47,619
of controlling the rights of sexuality

1125
00:48:52,019 --> 00:48:49,690
in the case of arranged marriages which

1126
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,029
were often the case in the past this

1127
00:48:55,979 --> 00:48:54,160
repression prevents natural expression

1128
00:48:59,849 --> 00:48:55,989
of the child's most basic biological

1129
00:49:01,529 --> 00:48:59,859
drives and [\h__\h] and confined a

1130
00:49:04,469 --> 00:49:01,539
psychological development to the child

1131
00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:04,479
at its essence childhood is the act of

1132
00:49:08,759 --> 00:49:06,579
adapting and developing biology to the

1133
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:08,769
environment and to restrict that

1134
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:11,170
development is to embed pathology in the

1135
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:13,930
psychology of the child right previously

1136
00:49:19,229 --> 00:49:16,390
researched these mechanisms on his

1137
00:49:21,769 --> 00:49:19,239
concepts of character and body are

1138
00:49:25,229 --> 00:49:21,779
marine and his work character analysis

1139
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:25,239
hmm Reich also speaks out about

1140
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:27,160
communism and the mass psychology of

1141
00:49:32,819 --> 00:49:29,920
fascism the Communist suppressed dr.

1142
00:49:35,969 --> 00:49:32,829
Reich's theories and we talked about him

1143
00:49:38,819 --> 00:49:35,979
being pursued by the KGB now that

1144
00:49:41,489 --> 00:49:38,829
actually happened as a result of a KGB

1145
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:41,499
agent who was writing articles for

1146
00:49:47,309 --> 00:49:45,729
Harper's and the New Republic and one

1147
00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:47,319
thing that's really interesting there is

1148
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:49,880
actually that that same organization

1149
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:53,180
was writing these articles had Henry

1150
00:50:00,310 --> 00:49:56,330
Wallace the former vice president of FDR

1151
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,320
as one of the KGB agents involved and he

1152
00:50:06,910 --> 00:50:03,440
was actually kicked out of the FDR

1153
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:06,920
administration run for the I believe his

1154
00:50:13,690 --> 00:50:09,160
second term because of these

1155
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:13,700
affiliations interesting so let's just

1156
00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:15,710
back up a little bit to some of Reich's

1157
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:19,660
ideas because I really am intrigued by

1158
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:22,970
extreme levels of control I just find it

1159
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,400
fascinating and whether it's right or

1160
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:27,440
wrong I just like to explore those types

1161
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:30,230
of ideas so the thought that something

1162
00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:32,630
like the nuclear family which in our

1163
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:36,140
society seems fairly automatic or

1164
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:38,510
self-evident just from our context to

1165
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:41,180
think that that could be engineered the

1166
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:43,910
model of father and mother has sole

1167
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:46,640
authority figures being engineered to

1168
00:50:51,130 --> 00:50:48,890
create a structured order like the

1169
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:51,140
separation from the tribe and I guess

1170
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:53,570
most importantly prepare children for a

1171
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,450
life of servitude especially since like

1172
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:58,160
you say those first seven years of a

1173
00:51:03,660 --> 00:50:59,900
child's life is when all the imprinting

1174
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:03,670
is done so creating this type of

1175
00:51:09,610 --> 00:51:06,830
paradigm in those years is what might

1176
00:51:11,830 --> 00:51:09,620
breed a culture that is okay with

1177
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:11,840
top-down control I do find that to be an

1178
00:51:15,340 --> 00:51:13,490
interesting idea we've talked about it

1179
00:51:18,730 --> 00:51:15,350
in the school system of course it's very

1180
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:18,740
obvious there but to think that it goes

1181
00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:22,570
even deeper and even further back is

1182
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:25,100
quite compelling I I really don't know

1183
00:51:32,770 --> 00:51:28,310
what to think about it but I like the

1184
00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:32,780
concept of exploring it well so the

1185
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:35,480
thing is that basically what right notes

1186
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:38,230
in his book is that more tribal

1187
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:41,450
societies that were not really in a

1188
00:51:45,850 --> 00:51:43,670
civilized level of development what we

1189
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:45,860
would call civilization where there's

1190
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,060
large social structures and centralized

1191
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:52,400
Authority you know you might have a

1192
00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:54,310
council of elders or things like that

1193
00:51:58,090 --> 00:51:57,020
but it wasn't something you know where

1194
00:52:00,040 --> 00:51:58,100
there was there was a huge amount of

1195
00:52:01,390 --> 00:52:00,050
power that anyone could really have for

1196
00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:01,400
anybody else and people were always

1197
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,500
allowed to speak out

1198
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:05,599
they're a viewpoint in meetings with the

1199
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:08,810
elders and things like that so it has a

1200
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:10,730
lot to do with Authority in and of

1201
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,630
itself and the thing is as you civilize

1202
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,640
basically what you're doing is you're

1203
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:19,280
planting crops you're getting livestock

1204
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,810
and you're basically trying to assert

1205
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:26,480
your authority on nature so right there

1206
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:29,210
there's there's a inherent kind of

1207
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:33,200
authoritarian aspect to what people

1208
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:36,440
think of as the civilization procedure

1209
00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:40,330
and then also on top of that as these

1210
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:42,920
societies start to grow they start to

1211
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:46,240
create cities where you have more

1212
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,730
separation between the production of

1213
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:51,920
food and consumption of food and you

1214
00:52:57,130 --> 00:52:54,740
start to have more hierarchy and more of

1215
00:52:59,560 --> 00:52:57,140
a bureaucracy that becomes involved you

1216
00:53:01,359 --> 00:52:59,570
need to extract more food from the

1217
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:01,369
people who are working at the periphery

1218
00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:04,730
of the city to feed it in order to be

1219
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:07,460
able to support the populations that you

1220
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:10,910
have and in doing so there's becomes a

1221
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:14,210
concentration of power and wealth hmm

1222
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:15,830
see I always thought I wanted an

1223
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:17,690
egalitarian lifestyle but I've got

1224
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,420
friends who have visited several

1225
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:22,160
communities and came away from the mall

1226
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:24,170
pretty disappointed and during the

1227
00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:26,390
Occupy days I was pretty involved in the

1228
00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:28,430
little sub community that popped up in

1229
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,500
San Diego with the whole lending

1230
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,720
libraries and group sharing types of

1231
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:35,839
experimentation and there was some real

1232
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:37,849
positivity about it but without some

1233
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:40,310
form of hierarchy I also just saw a lot

1234
00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:41,720
of chaos where you have some

1235
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,060
self-appointed loud-mouthed taking the

1236
00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:45,920
stage and because they were trying to

1237
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,830
get a consensus for everything 50 people

1238
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:51,200
all had to weigh in on the simplest of

1239
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:53,510
things I guess one example would be

1240
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:55,550
there were older folks who came out and

1241
00:54:00,310 --> 00:53:57,650
said look we want to be here rallying

1242
00:54:02,170 --> 00:54:00,320
against the 1% but we've got to work

1243
00:54:03,579 --> 00:54:02,180
tomorrow so if we're gonna stay down

1244
00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:03,589
here in the city square we've got to

1245
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,660
have some quiet hours and then you got a

1246
00:54:09,099 --> 00:54:07,520
bunch of homeless hippie kids saying

1247
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:09,109
well if you have a job that kind of

1248
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:11,420
sounds like your problem not mine we

1249
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:13,160
just want to play music and spread joy

1250
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:15,980
so there was just no direction and no

1251
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:17,430
accountability and of course

1252
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,230
this is just one example and there are

1253
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:21,420
other ways it can be done but the few

1254
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,670
examples I do have didn't seem as

1255
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,859
advantageous as I was expecting

1256
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:28,319
so I guess to make it a question why

1257
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:30,359
does it seem to me that communal living

1258
00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:33,750
or egalitarian groups typically seem to

1259
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:35,099
be just scraping by

1260
00:54:41,180 --> 00:54:37,260
rather than thriving if they can even

1261
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:41,190
get off the ground well what you're

1262
00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:46,140
talking about is Anarchy start with it

1263
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:50,369
was and that's not really what you see

1264
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:52,800
an alligator Galit Aryan societies you

1265
00:54:59,059 --> 00:54:56,640
see more input from the people who are

1266
00:55:02,270 --> 00:54:59,069
involved in doing the work in those

1267
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:02,280
societies were involved in actually

1268
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:03,900
maintaining the relationships with the

1269
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:07,130
land but you can still have larger

1270
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:11,010
accumulations of people and you can have

1271
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,609
larger societal structures as long as

1272
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,280
that link is maintained that you know

1273
00:55:23,059 --> 00:55:20,099
there there is able to be this feedback

1274
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:23,069
but as these indigenous societies become

1275
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:26,760
civilized it becomes almost too big to

1276
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:30,030
make that happen at a central in a

1277
00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:32,130
centralized way of loris tend to

1278
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:35,660
centralize as you get into these

1279
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,359
civilized structures mm-hmm now there is

1280
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:42,420
evidence of being able to do this I mean

1281
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:45,990
there's Mondragon in Spain which is a

1282
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:48,510
you know worker-owned engineering

1283
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:52,380
cooperative and you know they basically

1284
00:55:58,220 --> 00:55:55,740
have it so that people are able to vote

1285
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:58,230
and control how things are done within

1286
00:56:04,010 --> 00:55:59,880
the company and they've been very

1287
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:04,020
successful so it's not like it can't be

1288
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:06,599
done in a civilized you know environment

1289
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:09,690
but it hasn't tended to work out that

1290
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,030
way that's kind of something where that

1291
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:14,400
had to be founded on its own to start

1292
00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:17,790
with and there are more companies that

1293
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:20,579
are starting to look at that model but

1294
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:21,990
there still aren't a whole lot of

1295
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:25,440
examples right and that seems to be one

1296
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:28,410
of my issues is just that there aren't a

1297
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,320
ton of examples of six

1298
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:32,880
in this area and it could be because of

1299
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:34,410
sabotage

1300
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:36,900
you know co-opting it could be the same

1301
00:56:41,330 --> 00:56:38,760
reason why Reich's work was destroyed we

1302
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:41,340
don't want examples out there that show

1303
00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:44,070
you a different way but I guess that

1304
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:46,350
leads us to a section about some of the

1305
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,050
solves for fascism and authoritarianism

1306
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:52,260
if it's so pervasive that the family

1307
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:55,380
structure schooling and our repressive

1308
00:57:00,860 --> 00:56:58,560
sexuality are all tied up in it maybe

1309
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:00,870
the aliens built us to be subservient

1310
00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:02,850
maybe there is no other way what else

1311
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:06,870
can we do how else can we be well I'd

1312
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:09,210
like to get back to that and a little

1313
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:11,790
bit if that's okay sure I'd like to

1314
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:14,100
continue talking a bit about Reich's

1315
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:16,230
work and then that is a part of Reich's

1316
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:19,020
work but I'd like to get through this

1317
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:21,450
other section first let's do it

1318
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,540
to kind of explore the the sexuality

1319
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:26,880
link a bit more as well as kind of brain

1320
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:29,700
anatomy and how that feeds into all this

1321
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:32,100
I'd love to hear the data that supports

1322
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:33,480
that because it is kind of an out-there

1323
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:37,380
idea yeah so I want to I wanted start to

1324
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:39,810
slog through that first so one notable

1325
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:41,670
difference between matriarchal and

1326
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:43,890
patriarchal societies which right does

1327
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:46,350
not discuss in great depth is the form

1328
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:47,700
of marriage beyond the monogamous

1329
00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:49,890
marriage in his book he considered it

1330
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:52,470
untenable and kept his discussion within

1331
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:54,710
the context of monogamous relationships

1332
00:58:00,430 --> 00:57:57,600
polygamy has three main forms there's

1333
00:58:02,810 --> 00:58:00,440
Polly Janie which is multiple wives

1334
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,820
polyandry which is multiple husbands in

1335
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:05,160
group marriages which is multiple

1336
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,450
husbands and multiple wives of the 1231

1337
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:11,520
societies listened in the 1980 at the

1338
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:14,760
graphic Atlas 186 were found to be

1339
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:19,230
monogamous 453 had occasional Polly

1340
00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:22,950
Janie and 588 had more frequent Polly

1341
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,580
Chiney and four had polyandry the

1342
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:28,980
expression of Polly Janie can be

1343
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:31,050
characterized by women having little say

1344
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,270
in the arrangement and be traded for

1345
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,520
some sort of some form of dowry for

1346
00:58:39,830 --> 00:58:38,160
political economic and religious favors

1347
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,840
being bestowed upon her father as head

1348
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:42,240
of the family polyandry tends to be

1349
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:44,770
characterized by a especially hard

1350
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,630
environment lending to the need for

1351
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:48,660
greater stability in the marriage and

1352
00:58:56,340 --> 00:58:52,450
this also tends to be arranged now the

1353
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:56,350
final form the group marriage is one

1354
00:59:02,510 --> 00:58:59,410
that I find interesting because it can

1355
00:59:07,410 --> 00:59:02,520
be tied to an example of another

1356
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:07,420
organism the bonobo chimpanzee which has

1357
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:10,210
a very similar social structure so I

1358
00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:12,970
actually first found out about this

1359
00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:14,380
phenomenon I didn't even know it existed

1360
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:16,870
before I saw that documentary we're

1361
00:59:21,780 --> 00:59:19,260
talking about a Tibetan town and

1362
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:21,790
basically they showed you know women

1363
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:25,570
having multiple husbands and husbands

1364
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,070
having multiple wives

1365
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:28,960
and it was a sort of thing where you

1366
00:59:32,490 --> 00:59:30,610
know you might have two or three wives

1367
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:32,500
and she might one of your wives might

1368
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:34,630
have two or three husbands and you know

1369
00:59:37,290 --> 00:59:35,650
it was just kind of this fluid

1370
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:37,300
arrangement where okay if you don't

1371
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:38,590
really like each other anymore

1372
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:41,650
it isn't going to destroy the family you

1373
00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:43,450
just kind of say okay well our marriage

1374
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:45,580
is ended there isn't really any

1375
00:59:52,830 --> 00:59:48,580
punishment or anything that gets imposed

1376
00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:52,840
on the family as result and you just

1377
00:59:58,650 --> 00:59:56,350
kind of end things and move on but you

1378
01:00:01,580 --> 00:59:58,660
can also keep it going with your other

1379
01:00:04,590 --> 01:00:01,590
partners that you have and in this case

1380
01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:04,600
typically the you know it's kind of the

1381
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:06,940
the mother is the root of the family and

1382
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:10,240
the mother's aunts might help out with

1383
01:00:16,350 --> 01:00:12,610
with raising the children as well as the

1384
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:16,360
husbands and the children aren't even

1385
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:18,250
really aware of who their father is they

1386
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,260
just know that this is my first dad this

1387
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:22,260
is my second that this is my third dad

1388
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:24,970
see I don't like that that's the part

1389
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:27,670
where I start to be like hmm do I really

1390
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:30,970
want that well I'm not saying that I I

1391
01:00:35,610 --> 01:00:33,250
mean I'm not in any sort of arrangement

1392
01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:35,620
like that myself I'm just pointing it

1393
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:38,950
out because it has corollaries with

1394
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:41,290
bonobos right and it's just a different

1395
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,690
way we could potentially live and it

1396
01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:45,280
would have totally different effects as

1397
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:48,100
you can see how dowries and the

1398
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:49,810
purchasing of wives and the

1399
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:52,230
authoritarian father creates a little

1400
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:54,250
totalitarian state in the household you

1401
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:55,810
can see that so it is worth exploring

1402
01:01:00,700 --> 01:00:58,490
alternatives but even without

1403
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:00,710
having you know this plurality of

1404
01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:02,810
relationships you could still have I

1405
01:01:08,170 --> 01:01:05,000
mean our current society

1406
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:08,180
it's definitely centered around the

1407
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:11,450
father and the father is family mm-hmm

1408
01:01:18,970 --> 01:01:14,090
it's like the wife typically goes to be

1409
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:18,980
with him so there's but in this other

1410
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:20,630
arrangement there's more maternal

1411
01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:23,330
relationship arrangement is actually the

1412
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:25,790
family doesn't typically get broken up

1413
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:28,910
when there's a ending of the marriage

1414
01:01:34,690 --> 01:01:31,610
the father just kind of goes on and does

1415
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:34,700
what what he wants to do so there isn't

1416
01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:37,760
a real breakup of the family you know

1417
01:01:42,130 --> 01:01:39,590
there's still the ansed who are able to

1418
01:01:44,350 --> 01:01:42,140
be leveraged and things like that so but

1419
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:44,360
I mean this is also in a small town so

1420
01:01:50,020 --> 01:01:47,150
it's not like people are really moving

1421
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:50,030
away and you know extended families are

1422
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:52,310
pretty pretty much still intact what

1423
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:55,850
about data on fatherless households now

1424
01:02:00,600 --> 01:01:57,740
I know obviously our society has a lot

1425
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:00,610
of things a lot of factors that would be

1426
01:02:05,859 --> 01:02:03,920
affecting a person's life but what type

1427
01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:05,869
of effects does removing that component

1428
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,880
have I mean I guess it might not

1429
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:09,680
manifest the way it wouldn't know in a

1430
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:11,510
full society it was doing that kind of

1431
01:02:17,230 --> 01:02:13,390
thing but in our society it seems to

1432
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,240
create more problems than benefits yeah

1433
01:02:21,609 --> 01:02:19,760
there's definitely I mean the thing is

1434
01:02:23,170 --> 01:02:21,619
in the situation I'm talking about

1435
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:23,180
there's there would be other father

1436
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:25,670
figures a bigger network is that really

1437
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:27,950
apples to apples comparison of course

1438
01:02:35,170 --> 01:02:32,810
but also in the patriarchal family the

1439
01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:35,180
father is the main breadwinner you know

1440
01:02:40,690 --> 01:02:38,300
and so everybody is kind of dependent on

1441
01:02:42,250 --> 01:02:40,700
that person that's true in society is

1442
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,260
structured that if you don't have that

1443
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:45,680
figure it's very very hard for a single

1444
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:48,290
mom to make a living wage which has all

1445
01:02:53,050 --> 01:02:50,210
kinds of repercussions yeah even today

1446
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,060
but if you look back at like 40s 50s oh

1447
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:55,760
it was completely devastating I mean

1448
01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:58,210
this is why this is why little girls

1449
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:01,430
would go to college to meet a man rather

1450
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:03,190
than to learn things at rail because

1451
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:06,070
that's how everything was structured

1452
01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:09,680
very true so I'd like to go ahead and

1453
01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:11,960
start talking about the Innova

1454
01:03:17,470 --> 01:03:14,990
connection absolutely so the bonobo

1455
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:17,480
chimp was first discovered in 1929 in

1456
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,089
the form of a skull specimen and it

1457
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:21,680
wasn't really understood to be different

1458
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:23,420
from other chimpanzees until the early

1459
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,270
50s so this is an example that would not

1460
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:28,640
have been one that Reich himself had

1461
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:31,250
been aware of and the late 1970s

1462
01:03:36,190 --> 01:03:34,400
chimpanzees which are much more closely

1463
01:03:39,130 --> 01:03:36,200
related to humans became the model for

1464
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:39,140
the human ancestor before that it was

1465
01:03:46,569 --> 01:03:43,730
the baboon the traits that led people to

1466
01:03:49,870 --> 01:03:46,579
take this model were cooperative hunting

1467
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:49,880
food sharing tool use power politics and

1468
01:03:57,460 --> 01:03:53,930
primitive warfare but as bonobo and so

1469
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:57,470
this was kind of seen as the model for

1470
01:04:02,049 --> 01:03:59,599
why we are who we are why we have

1471
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:02,059
patriarchal societies why you know

1472
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:03,529
Authority and domination

1473
01:04:10,029 --> 01:04:06,940
lead our societies but as bonobo society

1474
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:10,039
has begun to be studying more detail it

1475
01:04:14,859 --> 01:04:11,990
provides an alternative view of our

1476
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:14,869
closest relatives the bonobo chimpanzee

1477
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:18,770
in their society sex is common often

1478
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:21,440
performed in a mocker Mitchell fashion

1479
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:25,039
and is almost nonchalant as a handshake

1480
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:27,500
well not dominating their interactions

1481
01:04:32,049 --> 01:04:29,630
it seems to act as a way to prevent

1482
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:32,059
potential conflicts the charging

1483
01:04:35,859 --> 01:04:33,680
displays that bonobos are much more

1484
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,869
subdued than those of common chimpanzees

1485
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,480
which can often extend in protracted

1486
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:41,359
Tantrums in the common chip in the

1487
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:44,000
comment imp dominant males keep a tight

1488
01:04:47,230 --> 01:04:45,410
rein on the reproductive rights of

1489
01:04:50,140 --> 01:04:47,240
females with the gang of subordinate

1490
01:04:52,359 --> 01:04:50,150
males in bonobo society if a female is

1491
01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:52,369
accosted by a male the females will band

1492
01:04:57,849 --> 01:04:54,200
together to defend her against a

1493
01:04:59,140 --> 01:04:57,859
stronger male so while some may point to

1494
01:05:01,539 --> 01:04:59,150
the role of hierarchy and male

1495
01:05:03,970 --> 01:05:01,549
domination in natural societies like

1496
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:03,980
lions or chimpanzees really we don't

1497
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:06,079
need to look any further than the bonobo

1498
01:05:14,529 --> 01:05:09,710
for another model it is interesting yeah

1499
01:05:16,539 --> 01:05:14,539
now what might cause that why would free

1500
01:05:20,620 --> 01:05:16,549
expression of sexuality why would it act

1501
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:20,630
to reduce aggression and reduce

1502
01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:23,930
domination because that is basically the

1503
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,550
main thrust

1504
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:27,680
of Reich's argument is that that's the

1505
01:05:32,350 --> 01:05:29,450
case no pun intended

1506
01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:32,360
and this is a good example of that but

1507
01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:34,280
what what would be the underlying cause

1508
01:05:39,730 --> 01:05:37,820
okay okay you know the bonobos are

1509
01:05:42,370 --> 01:05:39,740
rubbing their their hoop house and

1510
01:05:45,340 --> 01:05:42,380
weaves together you know and that's kind

1511
01:05:50,530 --> 01:05:45,350
of their handshake and they are a bunch

1512
01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:50,540
of [\h__\h] what does that mean what are

1513
01:05:58,660 --> 01:05:52,580
these these ape hippie communes do and

1514
01:06:01,000 --> 01:05:58,670
then so these different modalities of

1515
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:01,010
sexual expression have such an influence

1516
01:06:04,030 --> 01:06:02,330
on the development of character and

1517
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:04,040
societal structure might what might be

1518
01:06:08,530 --> 01:06:06,470
the underlying cause the amygdala which

1519
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:08,540
controls the fight-or-flight response is

1520
01:06:13,930 --> 01:06:11,450
also responsible for the sex drive for

1521
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:13,940
example one study found the relation

1522
01:06:18,190 --> 01:06:15,290
between the size of the amygdala and

1523
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:18,200
patients with epilepsy and another found

1524
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:20,150
that patients with a larger remainded

1525
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:22,730
Magdala after neurosurgery had greater

1526
01:06:28,660 --> 01:06:25,490
sex drive this suggests that the sexual

1527
01:06:30,460 --> 01:06:28,670
expression and aggression are not just

1528
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:30,470
psychologically but physiologically

1529
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:32,570
linked and what weird witnessing in the

1530
01:06:37,530 --> 01:06:34,730
bonobos is a form of cultural expression

1531
01:06:42,130 --> 01:06:37,540
which taps into this inherent biology

1532
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:42,140
for negating stress and aggression so

1533
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:44,900
it's kind of like a bio act that they've

1534
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:47,120
developed in their society this is

1535
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:48,950
completely in agreement with dr. rice

1536
01:06:53,890 --> 01:06:51,050
assertions and at odds with the current

1537
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:53,900
narrative regarding what authority you

1538
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:55,490
know that the origins of Susilo of

1539
01:07:01,320 --> 01:06:58,250
authority at a fundamental level indeed

1540
01:07:04,060 --> 01:07:01,330
it would tend to lend to an

1541
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:04,070
authoritarian egalitarian paradigm

1542
01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:06,950
rather than a left-right paradigm with

1543
01:07:11,830 --> 01:07:09,800
regard to fascism there is more direct

1544
01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:11,840
research to support this hypothesis as

1545
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:13,400
studies have shown that in response to

1546
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:15,710
theater liberals tend to become more

1547
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,170
conservative in their thinking in a

1548
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,240
response to a lack of fear like

1549
01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:21,920
imagining you're invincible like

1550
01:07:27,070 --> 01:07:24,230
Superman conservatives become more

1551
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:27,080
liberal and they're thinking you know

1552
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:28,730
those are some interesting studies that

1553
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:31,730
have been done and while we're on the

1554
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:33,290
topic of the brain I think it should be

1555
01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:35,330
mentioned that the more authority one

1556
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:38,630
wields the less that somebody tends to

1557
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:39,670
take into a

1558
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:42,970
other's needs and feelings so this has

1559
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:44,770
been recently substantiated by showing

1560
01:07:51,089 --> 01:07:47,730
that people in positions of authority

1561
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:51,099
are actually not having the same mirror

1562
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:54,010
neuron responses than people who are no

1563
01:07:58,500 --> 01:07:56,410
Authority the role of power on the

1564
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,510
psyche has often been likened to being

1565
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:00,400
drunk and this is kind of what that

1566
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:03,510
shows as you become kind of emotionally

1567
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:08,470
dampened as a result of power so to

1568
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:10,930
explore the current paradigm of thought

1569
01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:13,049
with regard to the left-right paradigm

1570
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:15,940
further we should start to talk about

1571
01:08:23,550 --> 01:08:20,410
what fascism has been commonly defined

1572
01:08:26,490 --> 01:08:23,560
as in the past a lot of people think of

1573
01:08:28,289 --> 01:08:26,500
the quote by Benito Mussolini which I'm

1574
01:08:31,410 --> 01:08:28,299
not even sure where it might be

1575
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:31,420
attributed to in terms of the original

1576
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,910
source but it says fascism should

1577
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:35,679
rightly be called the corporatism as

1578
01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:37,449
this is the merger of corporate and

1579
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:39,880
government power in practice liberals

1580
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:42,130
tend to think of it as a corporate as

1581
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,600
corporations controlling the government

1582
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:46,239
and conservatives tend to think of it as

1583
01:08:51,329 --> 01:08:48,310
government controlling corporations in

1584
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:51,339
both cases expressed by a dominating

1585
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:54,940
Kafka esque bureaucracy the embodiment

1586
01:08:59,370 --> 01:08:56,890
of each of these modes can be found in

1587
01:09:01,709 --> 01:08:59,380
the fascist or communist models that are

1588
01:09:04,019 --> 01:09:01,719
commonly understood but I believe this

1589
01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:04,029
is a bit of a simplification and one

1590
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:05,980
which leads to the left-right thinking

1591
01:09:11,550 --> 01:09:09,940
that I'm discussing right now in this

1592
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:11,560
paradigm there are two sources of power

1593
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:13,690
the state and the corporation people are

1594
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:15,940
not really part of this equation as each

1595
01:09:20,099 --> 01:09:17,140
of these sources of power is

1596
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,109
hierarchical and bureaucratic in nature

1597
01:09:23,729 --> 01:09:22,239
today people rank themselves along a

1598
01:09:25,410 --> 01:09:23,739
political spectrum of left and right

1599
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:25,420
where left is characterized by a state

1600
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:26,980
power and right is characterized by

1601
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,410
corporate power this dichotomy is

1602
01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:30,960
limiting and does not accurately

1603
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:33,429
characterize a source of power or the

1604
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:34,719
different ways that power can be

1605
01:09:38,189 --> 01:09:36,850
expressed for instance during the Middle

1606
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:38,199
Ages in Europe that would have been

1607
01:09:41,729 --> 01:09:39,850
definitely characterized as an

1608
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:41,739
authoritarian regime with an autocratic

1609
01:09:46,499 --> 01:09:44,440
ruler granted authority by at large and

1610
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:46,509
religious body with its own autonomous

1611
01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:48,670
leader this doesn't fit into the

1612
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:51,580
definition of fascism in either case but

1613
01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:53,500
little difference would be noticed by

1614
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,180
average person on the street besides

1615
01:09:59,610 --> 01:09:57,040
from which philosophies being espoused

1616
01:10:03,360 --> 01:09:59,620
when you compare feudalism with

1617
01:10:05,550 --> 01:10:03,370
communism or fascism right so I believe

1618
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:05,560
the left-right paradigm is a sort of

1619
01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:07,450
mental trap designed to limit people's

1620
01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:08,920
thinking in a way that is mirrored

1621
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:11,140
across opposing perspectives and that

1622
01:10:16,230 --> 01:10:13,210
leads to opposite conclusions based on

1623
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:16,240
the same information fair enough I think

1624
01:10:23,340 --> 01:10:19,320
that's a great breakdown and maybe to

1625
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:23,350
amend the definition that refers to it

1626
01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:25,690
is just corporations you just say

1627
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:28,600
corporations and cabal's I mean little

1628
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:30,970
groups of top-down leadership is that

1629
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:35,370
fair to say you know it's basically a

1630
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:39,060
merger of state and corporate power

1631
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:42,730
where in the case of the Middle Ages the

1632
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:45,490
state was a dictatorship you know and

1633
01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:48,520
right it was granted its legitimacy by

1634
01:10:54,090 --> 01:10:51,430
the other main industry at the time

1635
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:54,100
which was religion right you can

1636
01:10:59,760 --> 01:10:56,020
consider that a corporation basically

1637
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:59,770
basically a big monopoly on people's

1638
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:03,040
spirituality that was you know sucking

1639
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:07,030
up tithes and and you know issuing what

1640
01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:09,310
what was it called it was what Martin

1641
01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:12,040
Luther spoke out against when he tapped

1642
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:14,350
his his little decree on the door of the

1643
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:17,410
church it was the whatever that where

1644
01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:18,550
they were basically handing out pieces

1645
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:19,990
of paper to forgive people for their

1646
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:21,400
sins and charging him the scene about

1647
01:11:27,930 --> 01:11:26,620
some money I can't remember so I guess

1648
01:11:31,410 --> 01:11:27,940
at this point I think we should probably

1649
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:31,420
talk about the last part of will home

1650
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:34,570
rikes discussion about fascism and that

1651
01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:37,570
is work democracy yeah interesting

1652
01:11:44,010 --> 01:11:41,380
premise for sure yeah so basically in

1653
01:11:47,070 --> 01:11:44,020
the past you know we've had different

1654
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:47,080
ways of organizing work one way was

1655
01:11:53,970 --> 01:11:50,470
basically you paid someone to perform a

1656
01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:53,980
task you might have a person was a slave

1657
01:11:59,700 --> 01:11:57,160
and in Roman times maybe they were they

1658
01:12:03,330 --> 01:11:59,710
voluntarily sold themselves into slavery

1659
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,340
or they you know in colonial times they

1660
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:05,440
were often captured and enforced in

1661
01:12:08,420 --> 01:12:06,450
slavery

1662
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:08,430
you might also have a debt slave

1663
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:10,590
relationship in the form of indentured

1664
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,100
servitude but now what a lot of people

1665
01:12:19,730 --> 01:12:17,040
are talking about is wage slavery and I

1666
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:19,740
think that's you know a very good

1667
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,960
concept to start with since a lot of

1668
01:12:25,220 --> 01:12:24,000
your listeners would be familiar with

1669
01:12:28,190 --> 01:12:25,230
that oh yeah

1670
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,200
but basically the idea is that you're

1671
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:31,140
dependent on the wage you have to have

1672
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:33,540
that in order to be able to meet your

1673
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:37,130
needs and in order to do so you

1674
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:40,950
basically sell your sovereignty to an

1675
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,250
employer and say okay I will be here

1676
01:12:51,170 --> 01:12:47,280
this many hours a week while I'm there

1677
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,180
I'm your robot I'm your tool do with me

1678
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,000
as you wish and you know I can't really

1679
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:55,920
say anything about it

1680
01:13:03,530 --> 01:12:58,890
but in the legal framework you're not

1681
01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:03,540
just a robot you're not just a tool you

1682
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:07,830
aren't just being manipulated to exact

1683
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:12,330
the will of your master you are still a

1684
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:16,020
person but it's basically kind of an

1685
01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:18,090
abridged person but while you're in that

1686
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:21,750
relationship because if you don't comply

1687
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:25,260
with what you're being told then you can

1688
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,510
be fired for insubordination under

1689
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:29,760
basically every labor law that's that's

1690
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,850
around but the thing is if something

1691
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:34,320
criminal is going on

1692
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:37,770
you're still culpable you know if you do

1693
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:41,219
a criminal act as part of your job or

1694
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:42,600
you're being asked to then you're gonna

1695
01:13:48,650 --> 01:13:45,239
catch 22 where you basically have to

1696
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:48,660
resign you can't say no according to

1697
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:51,330
labor law but you're still responsible

1698
01:13:58,100 --> 01:13:54,810
if you do this criminal act right and

1699
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:58,110
that is really just kind of showing that

1700
01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:00,300
you aren't you're still responsible for

1701
01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:02,460
your actions you just granted no

1702
01:14:08,150 --> 01:14:05,070
authority you know the idea of work

1703
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:08,160
democracy as Reich talks about it is

1704
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:10,710
basically the idea that you would have

1705
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,920
some authority over your work you know

1706
01:14:18,919 --> 01:14:16,560
in the case of working for a corporation

1707
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:18,929
or working for a business it would be

1708
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:20,940
the sort of situation where okay I'm

1709
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:25,560
here and typically what's done today and

1710
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:29,130
a lot of cooperatives or a lot of work

1711
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:32,640
democracy sort of arrangements is that

1712
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:35,370
you go to an assembly or something like

1713
01:14:41,169 --> 01:14:37,590
that once a week to kind of give

1714
01:14:44,090 --> 01:14:41,179
feedback on the overall flow of things

1715
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:44,100
but it's still kind of hierarchical in

1716
01:14:49,370 --> 01:14:46,980
reality a lot of the day to day stuff

1717
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:49,380
your boss is still responsible to you

1718
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:52,110
but it's not really as direct as I think

1719
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:55,890
it should perhaps be I would say you

1720
01:14:59,020 --> 01:14:56,820
know it should be the sort of thing

1721
01:15:02,419 --> 01:14:59,030
where you actually elect your boss

1722
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:02,429
mm-hmm could you imagine if say you know

1723
01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:05,489
you have a bunch of factory workers or

1724
01:15:09,470 --> 01:15:08,070
you have a bunch of Engineers and you

1725
01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:09,480
say who's the best

1726
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:12,150
for this job let's hold a vote and you

1727
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:14,250
actually elect the project leader for

1728
01:15:18,740 --> 01:15:16,020
this project because that's the person

1729
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:18,750
you think would be best or you know you

1730
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,600
elect your boss because that's the most

1731
01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:24,000
knowledgeable and the person that you

1732
01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:26,940
think would be able to reflect the needs

1733
01:15:32,210 --> 01:15:30,030
of not just corporation but the rest of

1734
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:32,220
the people in your group right like a

1735
01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:34,710
captain of the ship that the crew can

1736
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:38,040
believe in and support yeah and you know

1737
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:40,170
it would be the sort of thing where it's

1738
01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:42,980
not like every single decision is made

1739
01:15:48,710 --> 01:15:46,680
by voting once you get to that sort of

1740
01:15:51,170 --> 01:15:48,720
level you're kind of you're getting into

1741
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,180
analysis paralysis and all this stuff

1742
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,040
now it's a sort of thing where you have

1743
01:15:58,570 --> 01:15:55,920
to there needs to be a balance there

1744
01:16:01,940 --> 01:15:58,580
needs to be balance between somebody

1745
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:01,950
always getting their will and mob rule

1746
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:04,620
you know so kind of this my dictator mob

1747
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:07,770
rule kind of dynamic but by allowing

1748
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:10,920
people to say okay I think you should be

1749
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:13,410
in charge and then once that person is

1750
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:14,730
in charge you like you could have a

1751
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:17,610
recall vote if enough people think hey

1752
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:19,260
that's what the [\h__\h] is this guy doing

1753
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:24,030
yeah or like if there's any one policy

1754
01:16:29,180 --> 01:16:25,610
where it's just like everybody's like um

1755
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:29,190
I don't think so I think we should hold

1756
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:31,020
a vote to override that decision you

1757
01:16:36,170 --> 01:16:33,810
know but on a day to day basis the guy's

1758
01:16:37,820 --> 01:16:36,180
not being an [\h__\h] the guy's you know

1759
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,830
making reasonable decisions there's no

1760
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:39,120
need for any of that stuff to even

1761
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:41,730
happen it would just be normal workplace

1762
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:45,090
mm-hmm so it would be the sort of thing

1763
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:48,840
where maybe once every year or two or

1764
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,150
every time there's a new project someone

1765
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,239
would be chosen and typically the beat I

1766
01:16:57,620 --> 01:16:55,920
mean you're not going to just say okay

1767
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:57,630
let's pull some person off the street

1768
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:00,060
we've never met before and let's make

1769
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:02,370
him in charge just based off with maybe

1770
01:17:05,930 --> 01:17:04,530
an hour with him when you're talking

1771
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:05,940
about something like this where it's

1772
01:17:10,670 --> 01:17:07,110
like these are people even known for

1773
01:17:12,650 --> 01:17:10,680
years typically just even get into one

1774
01:17:14,690 --> 01:17:12,660
of these cooperatives you have to work

1775
01:17:17,150 --> 01:17:14,700
there for a year or two so that they

1776
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:17,160
know that you're not gonna steal you're

1777
01:17:20,930 --> 01:17:19,170
not going to be dishonest you're not

1778
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:20,940
going to you actually know how to do

1779
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:22,210
your job

1780
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:23,980
then you get you're able to you know

1781
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,350
join the cooperative as a full member

1782
01:17:30,930 --> 01:17:28,719
with voting rights right kind of like

1783
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,940
the contractors sort of a thing today

1784
01:17:36,170 --> 01:17:33,280
except most contractors they did told

1785
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:36,180
they're going to be hired on they are

1786
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:38,920
well how many people out there have some

1787
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:41,650
know-nothing boss that just has this

1788
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:43,810
corporate personality and is the

1789
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:46,090
figurehead of the company just because

1790
01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:48,250
they're so politically correct they can

1791
01:17:52,050 --> 01:17:50,620
navigate conversations without actually

1792
01:17:54,660 --> 01:17:52,060
getting into the nitty-gritty of what

1793
01:17:56,430 --> 01:17:54,670
the company is actually doing and you

1794
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:56,440
know people don't feel respected at

1795
01:17:59,850 --> 01:17:57,790
their workplace and that's one of the

1796
01:18:02,940 --> 01:17:59,860
big reasons they load that so much so to

1797
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:02,950
have some say in its structure would be

1798
01:18:08,670 --> 01:18:05,130
of course ideal I mean who's gonna argue

1799
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:08,680
against that except the corporate

1800
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:10,870
cabal's you know as I was talking about

1801
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:13,210
before with the brain research that that

1802
01:18:19,229 --> 01:18:16,480
was done on Authority the less that your

1803
01:18:22,830 --> 01:18:19,239
boss is accountable to you or to other

1804
01:18:25,140 --> 01:18:22,840
people the less they even consider your

1805
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:25,150
viewpoint or your views or what you have

1806
01:18:30,510 --> 01:18:27,640
to say right and so the more

1807
01:18:33,959 --> 01:18:30,520
concentrated this power becomes the more

1808
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:33,969
authority one yield when wields the less

1809
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:36,430
they you know the more power drunk they

1810
01:18:41,340 --> 01:18:39,489
become the less accountable they are to

1811
01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:41,350
anyone yeah it's goddamn Lord of the

1812
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:44,500
Rings Lord of the Rings you know all

1813
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:48,239
that sort of stuff so this is a way to

1814
01:18:54,510 --> 01:18:51,760
deal with that research finding is to

1815
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:54,520
say okay well now you're accountable if

1816
01:18:58,320 --> 01:18:56,410
you're constantly beating up on this

1817
01:19:00,240 --> 01:18:58,330
poor schlub who works for you for no

1818
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:00,250
good reason they are going to notice

1819
01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:01,810
other people are going to notice it

1820
01:19:05,970 --> 01:19:03,670
that's a thing as this stuff gets

1821
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:05,980
covered up by Authority and it gets

1822
01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:08,980
covered up by politics in the normal

1823
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:11,320
workplace but in a workplace like this

1824
01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:13,210
people wouldn't you know it's like it's

1825
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:15,070
like the female bonobos be like what the

1826
01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:17,620
[\h__\h] you doing [\h__\h] you know you're

1827
01:19:20,370 --> 01:19:18,700
not going to come over here and rape

1828
01:19:25,050 --> 01:19:20,380
Reaper girl she doesn't want you around

1829
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:25,060
ya know so it's that kind of change in

1830
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:27,250
mindset it doesn't mean that it has to

1831
01:19:33,930 --> 01:19:31,030
devolve into an anarchist or you know

1832
01:19:35,729 --> 01:19:33,940
this analysis paralysis constantly

1833
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,739
voting sort of situation

1834
01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:37,360
but a lot of people jump to immediately

1835
01:19:44,129 --> 01:19:40,360
I mean to me I think it's kind of sad

1836
01:19:47,009 --> 01:19:44,139
and it's a really an indictment of our

1837
01:19:50,729 --> 01:19:47,019
society today that we we are in the

1838
01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:50,739
first established democracy in the

1839
01:19:55,229 --> 01:19:53,260
modern world and yet you talk about work

1840
01:19:56,819 --> 01:19:55,239
democracy and everybody is like oh [\h__\h]

1841
01:19:58,379 --> 01:19:56,829
look at this communist guy what the [\h__\h]

1842
01:20:01,319 --> 01:19:58,389
are you doing here he left he get the

1843
01:20:03,330 --> 01:20:01,329
[\h__\h] out right we can't even conceive of

1844
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:03,340
having a little power in the workplace

1845
01:20:07,739 --> 01:20:05,440
we're so brainwashed for top-down

1846
01:20:09,660 --> 01:20:07,749
dominance yeah and that's the thing is

1847
01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:09,670
that nothing like this ever actually

1848
01:20:14,729 --> 01:20:12,550
happened in the Soviet Union

1849
01:20:17,370 --> 01:20:14,739
you know they write all their talk about

1850
01:20:20,669 --> 01:20:17,380
you know workers freedom and worker

1851
01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:20,679
control it just turned it to this into

1852
01:20:28,859 --> 01:20:24,179
the party control this authoritarian

1853
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:28,869
heavy-handed and controlling plan that

1854
01:20:33,689 --> 01:20:31,090
was imposed on everyone and you I mean

1855
01:20:36,089 --> 01:20:33,699
like I said before there would really

1856
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:36,099
any difference between the factory

1857
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,110
worker in Soviet Russia or in Nazi

1858
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:42,880
Germany there wasn't really any

1859
01:20:46,739 --> 01:20:44,650
difference whether you were a Jew in a

1860
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,749
concentration camp or whether you were a

1861
01:20:51,089 --> 01:20:48,400
Russian engineer who got sent to the

1862
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:51,099
gulag right it doesn't really matter it

1863
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:53,650
they get us trapped in this left versus

1864
01:20:56,339 --> 01:20:54,760
right thing and looking at these

1865
01:20:58,129 --> 01:20:56,349
examples in history me like we'll look

1866
01:21:00,299 --> 01:20:58,139
at all the death communism has caused

1867
01:21:03,209 --> 01:21:00,309
capitalism's caused a lot of death too

1868
01:21:05,339 --> 01:21:03,219
but regardless of the debate it's like

1869
01:21:08,549 --> 01:21:05,349
we're stuck in a paradigm where we're

1870
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,559
still looking at the people being pushed

1871
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:10,960
around by top-down authoritarians and so

1872
01:21:15,629 --> 01:21:13,690
neither of those is the example we want

1873
01:21:17,879 --> 01:21:15,639
to look at knew that we can't find one

1874
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:17,889
for what exactly we're trying to look at

1875
01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:20,260
well I mean the thing is that a lot of

1876
01:21:27,839 --> 01:21:24,340
the examples got basically killed off

1877
01:21:30,029 --> 01:21:27,849
during the colonial expansion after the

1878
01:21:31,919 --> 01:21:30,039
Renaissance I mean it was it was mainly

1879
01:21:34,049 --> 01:21:31,929
the the church she was doing the

1880
01:21:36,299 --> 01:21:34,059
Catholic Church was basically going

1881
01:21:38,370 --> 01:21:36,309
around oh who do you believe in oh you

1882
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:38,380
don't know about Jesus will [\h__\h] you hmm

1883
01:21:40,770 --> 01:21:39,489
we're gonna we're gonna chop your head

1884
01:21:43,049 --> 01:21:40,780
off and you're gonna chop your hands off

1885
01:21:48,779 --> 01:21:43,059
okay next in line do you believe in

1886
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:48,789
Jesus oh [\h__\h] yeah I believe and they

1887
01:21:56,430 --> 01:21:49,570
burned

1888
01:21:59,810 --> 01:21:56,440
lot of indigenous people who ended up

1889
01:22:02,100 --> 01:21:59,820
kind of hiding it within their

1890
01:22:03,930 --> 01:22:02,110
expression of the church they know they

1891
01:22:05,459 --> 01:22:03,940
still had little vestiges of it here and

1892
01:22:07,410 --> 01:22:05,469
there so they could you know kind of do

1893
01:22:10,140 --> 01:22:07,420
things to their old ways on the slide

1894
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:10,150
but still a lot of it got lost oh yeah

1895
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:10,900
for sure

1896
01:22:15,780 --> 01:22:13,570
and this colonial domination of wiped

1897
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:15,790
out our examples to tell you the truth

1898
01:22:19,890 --> 01:22:18,130
well and it's just so funny that in

1899
01:22:21,959 --> 01:22:19,900
modern times whether you're on the left

1900
01:22:26,220 --> 01:22:21,969
the right a lot of people look at either

1901
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,230
Obama or Trump as this father figure

1902
01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:28,800
this savior figure is pretty much like

1903
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:31,540
people look at these people like the

1904
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:33,310
second coming of Christ and it's just

1905
01:22:37,979 --> 01:22:35,860
this Savior motif of like oh well once

1906
01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:37,989
we get the right guy in there for the

1907
01:22:42,859 --> 01:22:41,020
top-down control then everything's gonna

1908
01:22:46,169 --> 01:22:42,869
be all right and it's just the same

1909
01:22:47,729 --> 01:22:46,179
revolving door of false hopes and maybe

1910
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:47,739
we should look at changing the model

1911
01:22:52,109 --> 01:22:50,170
entirely well that's the thing is you

1912
01:22:54,740 --> 01:22:52,119
know it like I was saying with that

1913
01:22:57,899 --> 01:22:54,750
brain research so the more authority is

1914
01:23:00,209 --> 01:22:57,909
concentrated the less it's responsible

1915
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:00,219
to the people are granting that

1916
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:03,369
authority in reality then the worse

1917
01:23:06,959 --> 01:23:05,050
things are going to be no matter what

1918
01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:06,969
they're they just aren't gonna give a

1919
01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:08,710
[\h__\h] because they don't have to give a

1920
01:23:14,069 --> 01:23:11,230
[\h__\h] right you know and what would be

1921
01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:14,079
some of the primary safeguards against

1922
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:16,300
that like if you are to throw out a

1923
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:18,010
couple of things that there would be the

1924
01:23:24,089 --> 01:23:21,340
non-negotiables for a society with a

1925
01:23:25,649 --> 01:23:24,099
more advantageous structure I mean what

1926
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,659
are those things that the oily

1927
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:27,280
appendages of the elite aren't going to

1928
01:23:33,620 --> 01:23:30,610
be able to navigate around so I think

1929
01:23:38,069 --> 01:23:33,630
there needs to be you know definitely a

1930
01:23:40,979 --> 01:23:38,079
private industry and state control both

1931
01:23:43,620 --> 01:23:40,989
if you have one or the other and there's

1932
01:23:47,069 --> 01:23:43,630
notes no checks on private interests and

1933
01:23:49,379 --> 01:23:47,079
the public interest is or the public

1934
01:23:52,169 --> 01:23:49,389
interest is dominating everything then

1935
01:23:54,930 --> 01:23:52,179
you know you end up with the same sort

1936
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,940
of end result but there needs to be a

1937
01:24:00,979 --> 01:23:57,280
balance between them where I think the

1938
01:24:02,910 --> 01:24:00,989
line would be what is essential for life

1939
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:02,920
what's essential

1940
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:06,610
the functioning of our planet and for an

1941
01:24:12,689 --> 01:24:09,610
economy and believe me our our economy

1942
01:24:15,540 --> 01:24:12,699
is a subset of the ecology of our planet

1943
01:24:17,610 --> 01:24:15,550
oh yeah you know all of our industries

1944
01:24:19,650 --> 01:24:17,620
are dependent on natural resources you

1945
01:24:21,660 --> 01:24:19,660
can't divest them from that and that's a

1946
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:21,670
lot that's a big problem with a lot of

1947
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:24,010
economic theory today is just thinking

1948
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:25,810
that you can grow infinitely on a finite

1949
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:29,110
planet so first of all I think there

1950
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:31,170
needs to be both private and public

1951
01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:34,660
because the thing with public control is

1952
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:37,750
it it's always going to be just because

1953
01:24:42,570 --> 01:24:40,690
of the fact the state's gonna be it

1954
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:42,580
should be larger than any one economic

1955
01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:46,330
entity to keep them in check but because

1956
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,150
of that size there's going to be but you

1957
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:52,000
know not so big that it stifles the

1958
01:24:59,640 --> 01:24:55,360
rights of the citizen but there's also

1959
01:25:01,770 --> 01:24:59,650
going to be kind of an inherent slowness

1960
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:01,780
of response and that could be a good

1961
01:25:05,209 --> 01:25:03,010
thing and that can be a bad thing

1962
01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:05,219
because you know there can be a surplus

1963
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,900
for these essential services that's

1964
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:10,239
built up in a government or a public

1965
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,080
entity that can't really be done in a

1966
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:16,480
private entity not not one that's not so

1967
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:18,310
big that it becomes a monopoly anyway

1968
01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:22,270
and there needs to be private expression

1969
01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:24,429
because in the economy because it's more

1970
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:27,460
efficient in the long run it's it's more

1971
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:30,250
adaptive but the thing is you can't have

1972
01:25:34,650 --> 01:25:32,770
any one group be able to dominate the

1973
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:34,660
others so it needs to be a level playing

1974
01:25:40,979 --> 01:25:37,650
field and I also think that you know

1975
01:25:43,229 --> 01:25:40,989
just kind of due to human psychology a

1976
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:43,239
person can't keep track of more than

1977
01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:45,910
about 100 120 contacts something like

1978
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:48,640
that so that was kind of like the

1979
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:51,730
optimized village size back back in

1980
01:25:57,209 --> 01:25:54,910
pre-industrial civilization and that was

1981
01:25:59,370 --> 01:25:57,219
just kind of because everybody kind of

1982
01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:59,380
knew everybody else they were they they

1983
01:26:02,820 --> 01:26:00,820
knew who they were dealing with they're

1984
01:26:06,330 --> 01:26:02,830
able to have long lasting relationships

1985
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:06,340
and things like that so you know when

1986
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:08,170
you get into these large these larger

1987
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:11,440
structures of private entities then you

1988
01:26:15,419 --> 01:26:12,730
know things start to be able to get a

1989
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:15,429
bit out of control that also helps to

1990
01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:17,290
guard against central

1991
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:18,940
because the organization that gets too

1992
01:26:23,610 --> 01:26:21,490
big is obviously gonna get pushed

1993
01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:23,620
towards centralized control just for the

1994
01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:25,990
sake of tidiness and efficiency yeah

1995
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:28,990
yeah that's the thing is basically that

1996
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:32,080
essential service is this this kind of

1997
01:26:38,190 --> 01:26:35,310
safeguarding the role of the Commons is

1998
01:26:40,770 --> 01:26:38,200
basically where the state lands and then

1999
01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:40,780
things that aren't essential services

2000
01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:42,040
things that aren't like health care or

2001
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:44,950
fire prevention or you know making sure

2002
01:26:49,740 --> 01:26:46,510
that there's enough natural resources

2003
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:49,750
for industry to exist even it can fall

2004
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:53,170
into this more of a kind of a

2005
01:26:59,100 --> 01:26:55,690
free-for-all but if you have you know

2006
01:27:02,040 --> 01:26:59,110
this work democracy built into it then

2007
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:02,050
it's the sort of thing where there will

2008
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:04,690
be more self-regulation and it won't

2009
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:07,450
even have to get up to the state

2010
01:27:13,170 --> 01:27:10,690
regulation level because who's going to

2011
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:13,180
be a part of a company where you have a

2012
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:15,970
boat and you're able to work things out

2013
01:27:20,490 --> 01:27:18,610
between yourself and your boss who's

2014
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:20,500
gonna vote for poisoning their

2015
01:27:25,290 --> 01:27:22,210
environment when they live there right

2016
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:25,300
if that's imposed on you okay guys I

2017
01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:26,650
thought you want to do it otherwise I'm

2018
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,420
out of here and I got the kids you know

2019
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:30,400
I got the kids to pay for that their

2020
01:27:36,620 --> 01:27:33,490
school and my dogs you know he's got a

2021
01:27:39,660 --> 01:27:36,630
gimpy leg and you know my wife's oh man

2022
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:39,670
she's not looking too hot today so she's

2023
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:42,340
not working I better just just pump some

2024
01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:45,250
stuff down the drain you know so right

2025
01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:47,620
but if it's some board of executives on

2026
01:27:52,110 --> 01:27:49,720
Wall Street who only give a [\h__\h] about

2027
01:27:54,990 --> 01:27:52,120
the dollars coming in and they don't

2028
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:55,000
care what goes on in these environments

2029
01:27:59,340 --> 01:27:57,850
outside of the city then you're of

2030
01:28:01,140 --> 01:27:59,350
course going to have problems and

2031
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:01,150
nobody's going to be wanting to correct

2032
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:03,210
it if the money train is still coming in

2033
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:05,470
and there's also I mean have you ever

2034
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:07,510
watched the documentary that the

2035
01:28:12,780 --> 01:28:10,240
corporation yeah it's very good the

2036
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,790
psychoanalysis of a corporation if it

2037
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:14,800
was an actual person and how it would be

2038
01:28:21,210 --> 01:28:19,120
completely psychopathic exactly yes yes

2039
01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:21,220
and then that's basically the way that

2040
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:24,310
we have it set up the owners are the

2041
01:28:30,490 --> 01:28:29,440
shareholders and the only thing that the

2042
01:28:32,290 --> 01:28:30,500
leader the

2043
01:28:34,330 --> 01:28:32,300
kind of autonomous leader at the top is

2044
01:28:37,210 --> 01:28:34,340
really responsible for is for those

2045
01:28:40,090 --> 01:28:37,220
shareholders and their profits so it's a

2046
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:40,100
completely self-interested kind of

2047
01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:42,050
modality that's really what

2048
01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:45,190
characterizes psychology in sociology is

2049
01:28:49,870 --> 01:28:47,510
always putting yourself in front of

2050
01:28:52,330 --> 01:28:49,880
others not in a protective sense like I

2051
01:28:54,730 --> 01:28:52,340
need to protect myself from others but

2052
01:28:56,710 --> 01:28:54,740
in an exploitive sense mm-hm

2053
01:29:00,970 --> 01:28:56,720
and I think that's probably a good

2054
01:29:03,670 --> 01:29:00,980
lead-in to our next topic which would be

2055
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:03,680
you know a little bit about libertarian

2056
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:08,480
psychology and philosophy sure let's

2057
01:29:11,770 --> 01:29:10,010
talk about that because you know I have

2058
01:29:13,420 --> 01:29:11,780
actually gotten into it with some of the

2059
01:29:16,060 --> 01:29:13,430
libertarian guests I've had because

2060
01:29:18,730 --> 01:29:16,070
while I do agree that I'd like less

2061
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:18,740
state control in a broad sense if you

2062
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:20,930
remove it entirely you have a world run

2063
01:29:25,540 --> 01:29:22,610
by corporations who will no doubt

2064
01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:25,550
exploit every worker they can every

2065
01:29:29,620 --> 01:29:27,980
consumer base they can and will just

2066
01:29:32,230 --> 01:29:29,630
trash the planet until there is nothing

2067
01:29:34,420 --> 01:29:32,240
left I know our current regulatory

2068
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:34,430
agencies are completely compromised but

2069
01:29:38,170 --> 01:29:36,710
just to think that free markets and

2070
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:38,180
corporate cabal's will police themselves

2071
01:29:45,370 --> 01:29:42,650
is insane yes I totally agree

2072
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,380
now to get into this I think we should

2073
01:29:51,630 --> 01:29:47,360
start a little bit with some studies

2074
01:29:54,970 --> 01:29:51,640
into the psychology of libertarians go

2075
01:29:59,470 --> 01:29:54,980
okay it looks like there was a survey by

2076
01:30:01,060 --> 01:29:59,480
your morals org which basically had

2077
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:01,070
everybody placed themselves on a

2078
01:30:08,270 --> 01:30:05,330
left-right scale and it allowed people

2079
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:08,280
to choose libertarian as an option

2080
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:13,050
now in a project led by rabbi ealer Ravi

2081
01:30:17,570 --> 01:30:15,900
ealer they analyzed the results from

2082
01:30:19,220 --> 01:30:17,580
nearly 12,000 self-described

2083
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:19,230
libertarians and compared their

2084
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:22,710
responses of 21,000 conservatives and 90

2085
01:30:28,180 --> 01:30:25,410
that 7,000 liberals the paper was

2086
01:30:30,440 --> 01:30:28,190
published last week in fluffs woman

2087
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,450
findings largely confirm what

2088
01:30:35,150 --> 01:30:31,920
libertarians have been said about

2089
01:30:37,940 --> 01:30:35,160
themselves so here is what the results

2090
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:37,950
of what the study said libertarians

2091
01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:39,900
match liberals and placing a relatively

2092
01:30:44,660 --> 01:30:42,120
low value on the moral foundations of

2093
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:44,670
loyalty Authority and sanctity they're

2094
01:30:47,530 --> 01:30:46,650
not so concerned about sexual issues and

2095
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:47,540
flag-burning

2096
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:50,340
but they join conservatives and scoring

2097
01:30:54,590 --> 01:30:52,620
lower than liberals on care and fairness

2098
01:30:57,260 --> 01:30:54,600
foundations where fairness is mostly

2099
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:57,270
equality not proportionality ie they

2100
01:31:00,890 --> 01:30:58,530
don't want a welfare state and

2101
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,900
heavy-handed measures to force equality

2102
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:03,120
this is why libertarians can't be placed

2103
01:31:07,070 --> 01:31:04,890
on the spectrum from left to right they

2104
01:31:09,650 --> 01:31:07,080
have a unique pattern that is no sense

2105
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:09,660
just somewhere in the middle they really

2106
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,000
do not they really do put liberty above

2107
01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:15,120
all other values on reasoning and

2108
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:18,270
emotions most libertarians are of a

2109
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:21,330
masculine style liberals are the most

2110
01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:25,370
feminine measures of empathizing and

2111
01:31:30,830 --> 01:31:28,440
systemising which refers to the drive to

2112
01:31:32,780 --> 01:31:30,840
analyze the variables in a system and

2113
01:31:34,670 --> 01:31:32,790
derive the underlying rules that govern

2114
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:34,680
behavior of the system men tend to score

2115
01:31:39,020 --> 01:31:37,410
higher on this variable and libertarians

2116
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:39,030
score the lowest of the three groups on

2117
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:41,250
empathizing and the highest on

2118
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:44,370
systemizing so in this and other

2119
01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:46,170
measures libertarians come out as

2120
01:31:52,940 --> 01:31:48,060
cerebral rational and the least

2121
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:52,950
emotional and to me that kind of sounds

2122
01:31:58,880 --> 01:31:56,010
a little bit spectrum II you know what

2123
01:32:02,420 --> 01:31:58,890
I'm saying you know and actually I think

2124
01:32:04,190 --> 01:32:02,430
that people who have because the thing

2125
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:04,200
is that somebody who's on the spectrum

2126
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:07,380
from autism to vast burgers

2127
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:11,000
those are kind of lower grades of

2128
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:15,210
psychopathy and in a way but it's it

2129
01:32:21,230 --> 01:32:18,210
manifests differently they aren't it

2130
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:21,240
isn't that they are trying to exploit

2131
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,110
others

2132
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:24,960
we're trying to take advantage about it

2133
01:32:30,290 --> 01:32:26,760
they just can't really relate to others

2134
01:32:34,630 --> 01:32:30,300
it's more of like a handicap rather than

2135
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:34,640
like this monstrous violent and damaging

2136
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:37,800
manifestation but it also tends to make

2137
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:41,370
them higher functioning in terms of

2138
01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:44,760
their rationalization and their ability

2139
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:47,310
to do things in a logical and ordered

2140
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:50,100
manner fair enough man but that is

2141
01:32:54,140 --> 01:32:52,050
pretty harsh I do understand what you're

2142
01:32:56,210 --> 01:32:54,150
saying though it's kind of like leave me

2143
01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:56,220
alone I'm gonna do what I'm doing over

2144
01:33:00,680 --> 01:32:58,410
here and just you do what you do over

2145
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:00,690
there but if everybody does that there's

2146
01:33:04,940 --> 01:33:02,850
going to be conflicts in certain areas

2147
01:33:07,670 --> 01:33:04,950
it's like the classic issue with Gary

2148
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:07,680
Johnson when he was actually booed off

2149
01:33:12,620 --> 01:33:09,840
the stage at a libertarian rally because

2150
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:12,630
he was trying to argue that well we

2151
01:33:16,970 --> 01:33:14,760
can't just let blind people get driver's

2152
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:16,980
licenses and it's like well who are you

2153
01:33:22,340 --> 01:33:19,850
to say what authority do you have to

2154
01:33:25,070 --> 01:33:22,350
infringe on the rights of the blind to

2155
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:25,080
drive I'm not saying that all

2156
01:33:29,780 --> 01:33:27,690
libertarians are on the spectrum by any

2157
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:29,790
means no but I get what you're saying

2158
01:33:34,670 --> 01:33:31,560
and that's an example of how I can go

2159
01:33:36,110 --> 01:33:34,680
off the rails yeah I think of it in my

2160
01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:36,120
mind I have a distinction between

2161
01:33:41,390 --> 01:33:39,420
psychopathy and sociopathy this comes

2162
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:41,400
from a book called political clue

2163
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:43,920
neurology it was actually written by a

2164
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:46,770
scientist he remember as a psychiatrist

2165
01:33:52,700 --> 01:33:50,010
or just a psychoanalyst or something

2166
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:52,710
like that but he was basically one of

2167
01:33:56,780 --> 01:33:54,300
those two and he was living in Nazi

2168
01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:56,790
Germany no he was living in Poland when

2169
01:34:01,640 --> 01:33:58,500
Poland was invaded he was pursued by the

2170
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:01,650
Nazis and then he ended up writing this

2171
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:04,110
book about his experiences because I

2172
01:34:09,950 --> 01:34:07,410
think he was captured and imprisoned but

2173
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:09,960
basically what he says is that psycho

2174
01:34:16,190 --> 01:34:13,730
ads are people who are the way they are

2175
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:16,200
typically because of a trauma that

2176
01:34:23,260 --> 01:34:20,190
they've endured and it actually impacts

2177
01:34:26,860 --> 01:34:23,270
them at such a fundamental level that it

2178
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:26,870
completely twists their psychology at a

2179
01:34:31,190 --> 01:34:29,400
biological level well just look at how

2180
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:31,200
the elite apparently raised their own

2181
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:33,930
kids something you sent me talked about

2182
01:34:37,730 --> 01:34:35,850
how Trump was raised in how

2183
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:37,740
raised his own kids and it was an exact

2184
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:39,510
match for what the Rothschild family

2185
01:34:44,780 --> 01:34:42,330
does where the father is constantly

2186
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:44,790
trying to trick his own children gives

2187
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:47,400
them basically no love and says look the

2188
01:34:52,610 --> 01:34:50,370
world is a cold hard place and nothing

2189
01:34:54,410 --> 01:34:52,620
is fair and everybody's trying to [\h__\h]

2190
01:34:56,450 --> 01:34:54,420
you and say you better [\h__\h] them first

2191
01:34:58,850 --> 01:34:56,460
and I mean that's traumatizing to a

2192
01:35:01,280 --> 01:34:58,860
child so it's no surprise these people

2193
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:01,290
grow up to be Psychopaths yeah and

2194
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:04,410
actually there is you know there is a

2195
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:06,960
genetic component to this it seems that

2196
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:09,810
there are certain bloodlines and groups

2197
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:13,130
of people who are more susceptible to

2198
01:35:20,030 --> 01:35:17,570
this trauma activating their genes to

2199
01:35:21,740 --> 01:35:20,040
express this because there are people

2200
01:35:23,450 --> 01:35:21,750
who still carry that gene and they don't

2201
01:35:26,630 --> 01:35:23,460
you know they're they're a bit

2202
01:35:29,660 --> 01:35:26,640
emotionally stunted but they aren't

2203
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:29,670
full-blown psychopathic you know that

2204
01:35:34,220 --> 01:35:31,620
they might not always take people into

2205
01:35:36,290 --> 01:35:34,230
consideration as much as others but I

2206
01:35:39,740 --> 01:35:36,300
think what it is is that trauma is a

2207
01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:39,750
really kind of a catalyst to creating

2208
01:35:45,500 --> 01:35:42,300
that this kind of epigenetic link where

2209
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:45,510
that genealogy is expressed makes sense

2210
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:47,730
like you can have a predisposition but

2211
01:35:52,460 --> 01:35:50,280
if it isn't triggered by trauma it won't

2212
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:52,470
be quite so severe and won't show as

2213
01:35:57,140 --> 01:35:54,810
much in your personality yeah it's kind

2214
01:35:59,330 --> 01:35:57,150
of like there's celiac disease where

2215
01:36:02,000 --> 01:35:59,340
people end up being not being able to

2216
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:02,010
handle gluten protein this is where you

2217
01:36:07,610 --> 01:36:04,410
know all this gluten-free stuff comes

2218
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:07,620
from but people will often go for years

2219
01:36:11,900 --> 01:36:10,530
eating gluten as a child and it won't

2220
01:36:14,210 --> 01:36:11,910
affect them and then one day they have a

2221
01:36:16,700 --> 01:36:14,220
bowl of Cheerios and their stomach feels

2222
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:16,710
like it's like it's on fire and they

2223
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:18,810
start seeing lights and getting a

2224
01:36:24,230 --> 01:36:20,730
migraine and and they're in bed for

2225
01:36:26,980 --> 01:36:24,240
three days so you know it's it can be

2226
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:26,990
that quick if there's the right stimulus

2227
01:36:32,650 --> 01:36:29,130
so getting back to it

2228
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:32,660
sociopathy I think of as more of

2229
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:35,820
somebody who is in the psychopathic

2230
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:39,120
mindset and and the the distinction that

2231
01:36:45,190 --> 01:36:41,010
they that they give in psychology

2232
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:45,200
between these is that somebody who who's

2233
01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:47,010
sociopathic

2234
01:36:55,130 --> 01:36:49,550
they're able to regulate their response

2235
01:36:58,130 --> 01:36:55,140
around others to a larger degree to the

2236
01:37:00,800 --> 01:36:58,140
psychopathic person who basically they

2237
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:00,810
don't have that impulse control now I

2238
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,090
would say that somebody who is

2239
01:37:08,630 --> 01:37:06,239
psychopathic is somebody where this gene

2240
01:37:10,010 --> 01:37:08,640
expression has been turned on and the

2241
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:10,020
way their brain processes information

2242
01:37:13,729 --> 01:37:12,120
has changed and they're mirror neurons

2243
01:37:15,979 --> 01:37:13,739
are not firing at the same rate

2244
01:37:18,650 --> 01:37:15,989
everybody else's and they can't control

2245
01:37:22,490 --> 01:37:18,660
that on any sort of conscious level

2246
01:37:25,820 --> 01:37:22,500
anymore sociopaths I think are more

2247
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:25,830
people who are kind of inculcated or you

2248
01:37:31,580 --> 01:37:28,410
know they they end up getting acclimated

2249
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:31,590
to a culture that's sociopathic or

2250
01:37:35,870 --> 01:37:33,930
psychopathic and a lot of times will end

2251
01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:35,880
up happening as some toxic or

2252
01:37:39,860 --> 01:37:37,710
psychopathic person gets into an

2253
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,870
organization and they build up their own

2254
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:42,000
little cults around them where they end

2255
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:44,270
up recruiting people who are prone to

2256
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:46,530
developing this more sociopathic

2257
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:50,340
behavior and you see that a lot in cults

2258
01:37:56,710 --> 01:37:53,970
of personality giving rise to fascist or

2259
01:37:58,240 --> 01:37:56,720
Communists bureaucracies and

2260
01:38:02,660 --> 01:37:58,250
organizations

2261
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:02,670
so speaking of cults of personality I

2262
01:38:08,570 --> 01:38:04,290
think would be a good time to get into

2263
01:38:11,570 --> 01:38:08,580
Rand and her influence on libertarianism

2264
01:38:12,979 --> 01:38:11,580
sure a lot of people worship her and the

2265
01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:12,989
links she sent me were pretty

2266
01:38:18,380 --> 01:38:15,510
interesting about her background and why

2267
01:38:20,210 --> 01:38:18,390
she might think the way she did yeah so

2268
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:20,220
one thing you got to realize is that

2269
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:23,010
Rand she actually grew up in Tsarist

2270
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:27,170
Russia and when the revolution happened

2271
01:38:32,540 --> 01:38:29,130
basically she went from being a little

2272
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:32,550
print her daddy's little princess - and

2273
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:35,489
her debt he was very you know he was it

2274
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:38,130
was kind of some of the elite in that

2275
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,520
country he he owned a pharmacy made very

2276
01:38:47,180 --> 01:38:43,920
good money you know had an upper-middle

2277
01:38:50,630 --> 01:38:47,190
class sort of sort of lifestyle and then

2278
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:50,640
all that was ripped away when the

2279
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:53,850
revolution happened and basically they

2280
01:38:59,479 --> 01:38:56,820
took his pharmacy and he vowed that he

2281
01:39:01,029 --> 01:38:59,489
never worked with them and I think I've

2282
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:01,039
got a quote here

2283
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:04,250
so her name was ELISA at the time she

2284
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:07,010
was choose ELISA a Rosenbaum what she

2285
01:39:11,379 --> 01:39:09,170
said was she saw the look on her

2286
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:11,389
father's face as you know he was

2287
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:14,090
basically being torn from his pharmacy

2288
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:17,690
shop and she said that I felt the way he

2289
01:39:23,049 --> 01:39:19,630
looked his was one of helplessness

2290
01:39:25,390 --> 01:39:23,059
murders forestation and it did nation he

2291
01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:25,400
could do absolutely nothing this event

2292
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:27,409
in the subsequent starvation that he and

2293
01:39:31,839 --> 01:39:29,030
his family suffered begging on the

2294
01:39:34,779 --> 01:39:31,849
streets of st. Petersburg left a very

2295
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:34,789
great trauma and Ayn Rand's mind as she

2296
01:39:40,569 --> 01:39:38,000
was growing up she ended up asking one

2297
01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:40,579
of her relatives to help her move to the

2298
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:43,030
United States and they altruistic

2299
01:39:49,299 --> 01:39:46,940
illegally to do so in 1925 after she

2300
01:39:53,740 --> 01:39:49,309
arrived she changed her name to Ayn Rand

2301
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:53,750
and started to kind of pick up where

2302
01:39:59,970 --> 01:39:56,960
most people who are libertarian would

2303
01:40:03,459 --> 01:39:59,980
probably know bit more about her past

2304
01:40:06,359 --> 01:40:03,469
but there is one aspect that probably

2305
01:40:11,049 --> 01:40:06,369
they don't know about and that would be

2306
01:40:14,049 --> 01:40:11,059
her admiration of the serial killer

2307
01:40:16,569 --> 01:40:14,059
William Hickman that is an interesting

2308
01:40:17,490 --> 01:40:16,579
aspect for sure what can you tell us

2309
01:40:20,939 --> 01:40:17,500
about that

2310
01:40:23,950 --> 01:40:20,949
when Ayn Rand was coming up with her

2311
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:23,960
idea of an ideal man which she leveraged

2312
01:40:29,319 --> 01:40:26,210
a lot and a lot of her you call it

2313
01:40:31,169 --> 01:40:29,329
literature is that durable is Lee

2314
01:40:34,509 --> 01:40:31,179
because it's it's very one-dimensional

2315
01:40:37,060 --> 01:40:34,519
ha I'd say it's you know it's kind of a

2316
01:40:40,299 --> 01:40:37,070
juvenile literature and the way it's

2317
01:40:41,620 --> 01:40:40,309
written and I I mean I'm just kind of

2318
01:40:43,689 --> 01:40:41,630
being objective here I'm not really

2319
01:40:46,990 --> 01:40:43,699
trying to bad-mouth people who like it

2320
01:40:49,330 --> 01:40:47,000
but I'm saying what I think

2321
01:40:51,370 --> 01:40:49,340
but she had this ideal man this kind of

2322
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:51,380
Superman image that she wanted to build

2323
01:40:58,960 --> 01:40:55,370
up in each of her books and a lot of

2324
01:41:02,200 --> 01:40:58,970
that came from her father and his ideals

2325
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,210
and his personality but there was

2326
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:04,400
another figure which factored into this

2327
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:07,780
a great deal and it was actually this

2328
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,110
serial killer William Hickman and you

2329
01:41:15,870 --> 01:41:13,520
know most people as well what are you

2330
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:15,880
talking about how could that possibly be

2331
01:41:20,860 --> 01:41:20,090
so I'm gonna read a little bit here if

2332
01:41:24,460 --> 01:41:20,870
that's okay

2333
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:24,470
from a story called how am Rand became a

2334
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:26,330
big admirer of serial killer William

2335
01:41:32,980 --> 01:41:29,750
Hickman by Mark Eames of alternate all

2336
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:32,990
right so the best way to get to the

2337
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:34,970
bottom of Ayn Rand's beliefs is to look

2338
01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:37,130
at how she developed a superhero verno

2339
01:41:42,670 --> 01:41:40,520
novel Atlas Shrugged John gulped back in

2340
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,680
the late 1920s as an Rand was working

2341
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:43,760
out her philosophy

2342
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:45,410
she became enthralled by real-life

2343
01:41:50,170 --> 01:41:47,930
American serial killer William Edward

2344
01:41:51,670 --> 01:41:50,180
Hickman whose gruesome sadistic

2345
01:41:55,660 --> 01:41:51,680
dismemberment of a twelve-year-old girl

2346
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,670
named Matt Marian Parker in 1927 shocked

2347
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,920
the nation Rand filled our early

2348
01:42:02,080 --> 01:41:59,600
notebooks with worshipful praise of

2349
01:42:04,570 --> 01:42:02,090
Edmund according to fire for Jennifer

2350
01:42:06,250 --> 01:42:04,580
Burns author goddess of the market bran

2351
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:06,260
was so smitten with Hickman that she

2352
01:42:11,980 --> 01:42:07,850
modeled her first litter literary

2353
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,990
creation Danny Ranahan the protagonist

2354
01:42:17,980 --> 01:42:13,760
of her unfinished novel the little

2355
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:17,990
street on him so this is what she had to

2356
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:20,450
say about Hickman bran said other people

2357
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:23,360
do not exist for him and he does not see

2358
01:42:29,410 --> 01:42:26,840
why they should she gushed that Hickman

2359
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,420
had no regard whatsoever for all that

2360
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:31,520
society holds sacred when the

2361
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:33,890
consciousness of all his own he has the

2362
01:42:38,890 --> 01:42:36,650
true innate psychology of a Superman he

2363
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:38,900
can never realize and feel other people

2364
01:42:44,350 --> 01:42:41,570
they go on to say this echoes almost

2365
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:44,360
word-for-word translator description of

2366
01:42:49,540 --> 01:42:46,970
her character Howard work the hero of

2367
01:42:52,210 --> 01:42:49,550
the Fountainhead he was born without the

2368
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,220
ability to consider others The

2369
01:42:56,650 --> 01:42:54,560
Fountainhead is a Supreme Court Justice

2370
01:42:59,080 --> 01:42:56,660
Clarence Thomas's favorite book even

2371
01:43:01,570 --> 01:42:59,090
requires his clerks to read it so and

2372
01:43:04,090 --> 01:43:01,580
that's actually a common theme with a

2373
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,100
lot of the fans of Rand is that they

2374
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:06,560
require other people to read his books

2375
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:09,980
and I knew somebody before he tried to

2376
01:43:14,050 --> 01:43:12,290
get me to read one of her books and I

2377
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:14,060
could only really get through about the

2378
01:43:20,050 --> 01:43:17,930
first 40 pages and that's because what

2379
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:20,060
our bet was is whether I could I would

2380
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,770
stop at that point and I could barely

2381
01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:23,840
get through it just because it was so

2382
01:43:29,620 --> 01:43:27,100
rough to read just the callousness and

2383
01:43:33,570 --> 01:43:29,630
kind of the you know the one-dimensional

2384
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:33,580
characters the kind of Faye woman

2385
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:37,280
swooning and had this very dominant male

2386
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,730
character and most people didn't really

2387
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,560
have much of a backstory they just kind

2388
01:43:47,770 --> 01:43:45,280
of were there saying things at you and

2389
01:43:52,060 --> 01:43:47,780
the words that were in their mouths were

2390
01:43:55,090 --> 01:43:52,070
and rands words so getting back to what

2391
01:43:58,750 --> 01:43:55,100
she thought of William Hickman she said

2392
01:44:00,850 --> 01:43:58,760
he was a genuinely beautiful soul

2393
01:44:03,010 --> 01:44:00,860
so I think at this point it would be a

2394
01:44:05,650 --> 01:44:03,020
good idea to talk about what Hickman

2395
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:05,660
actually did sir you know to kind of

2396
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:09,170
give an idea of who this person was that

2397
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,560
she admired so much what you know maybe

2398
01:44:17,740 --> 01:44:14,960
she admired about him

2399
01:44:19,780 --> 01:44:17,750
Ram fell for William Edward Hickman in

2400
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:19,790
the 1920s as the shocking story of

2401
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:21,440
Hickman's crimes starting to grip the

2402
01:44:26,020 --> 01:44:23,840
nation he was the OJ Simpson of his day

2403
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:26,030
his crime trial in case were non-stop

2404
01:44:30,130 --> 01:44:27,590
headline grabbers for months

2405
01:44:32,050 --> 01:44:30,140
Hickman who was only 19 when he was

2406
01:44:33,790 --> 01:44:32,060
arrested for murder was a cinema

2407
01:44:36,370 --> 01:44:33,800
paranoid schizophrenic mother and

2408
01:44:38,140 --> 01:44:36,380
grandmother his schoolmate said that as

2409
01:44:40,020 --> 01:44:38,150
a kid Hickman liked to strangled cats

2410
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,030
and snap the necks and chickens for fun

2411
01:44:42,700 --> 01:44:41,840
most of the kids thought he was a

2412
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:42,710
budding maniac

2413
01:44:46,990 --> 01:44:44,810
although adults gave him good marks for

2414
01:44:49,570 --> 01:44:47,000
behavior a typical sign of a sociopathic

2415
01:44:51,130 --> 01:44:49,580
cunning he enrolled in college but

2416
01:44:52,690 --> 01:44:51,140
quickly dropped out and then turned to

2417
01:44:54,940 --> 01:44:52,700
violent crime largely driven by the

2418
01:44:57,730 --> 01:44:54,950
thrill in arrogance typical of

2419
01:44:59,770 --> 01:44:57,740
sociopaths in a brief and wild crime

2420
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:59,780
spree that grew increasingly violent

2421
01:45:03,130 --> 01:45:01,520
Hickman knocked over dozens of gas

2422
01:45:06,430 --> 01:45:03,140
stations and drug stores across the

2423
01:45:08,170 --> 01:45:06,440
Midwest and West to California along the

2424
01:45:10,210 --> 01:45:08,180
way it's believed he strangled a girl in

2425
01:45:13,150 --> 01:45:10,220
Milwaukee and killed his crime partners

2426
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:13,160
grandfather in Pasadena tossing his body

2427
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:15,130
over our bridge after taking his money

2428
01:45:19,420 --> 01:45:17,360
Hickman's partners later told police

2429
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:19,430
that Hickman told him how much he'd like

2430
01:45:24,250 --> 01:45:21,170
to kill him dismember a victim someday

2431
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:24,260
and that day did come for hitmen one

2432
01:45:27,370 --> 01:45:25,910
afternoon Hickman drove up to Mount

2433
01:45:29,290 --> 01:45:27,380
Vernon junior high in Los Angeles

2434
01:45:31,900 --> 01:45:29,300
telling administrators he'd come to pick

2435
01:45:34,030 --> 01:45:31,910
up the Parker girl her father Perry Park

2436
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:34,040
who was a prominent banker Hickman

2437
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:35,570
didn't know the first the girl's first

2438
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:37,730
name so Nene was asked which of the two

2439
01:45:42,010 --> 01:45:40,010
Parker twins he answered the younger

2440
01:45:44,230 --> 01:45:42,020
daughter then he corrected himself the

2441
01:45:46,210 --> 01:45:44,240
smaller one no one suspected his motives

2442
01:45:47,950 --> 01:45:46,220
the school administrator fetched young

2443
01:45:50,260 --> 01:45:47,960
Marion and brought her out to Hickman

2444
01:45:52,690 --> 01:45:50,270
Marion immediately followed him into his

2445
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:52,700
car as she was told where he promptly

2446
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:53,600
kidnapped her

2447
01:45:58,290 --> 01:45:55,850
he wrote a ransom note to Marion's

2448
01:45:59,980 --> 01:45:58,300
father demanding $1500 for a return

2449
01:46:02,290 --> 01:45:59,990
promising the girl would be left

2450
01:46:05,290 --> 01:46:02,300
unharmed Marion was terrified into

2451
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:05,300
passivity she even waited in his car for

2452
01:46:08,050 --> 01:46:07,130
Hickman when he went to mail his letter

2453
01:46:10,300 --> 01:46:08,060
to her father

2454
01:46:12,820 --> 01:46:10,310
Hickman's extreme narcissism comes

2455
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:12,830
through his ransom letters as he refers

2456
01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:15,050
to himself as the mastermind and not a

2457
01:46:19,480 --> 01:46:17,270
common crook Hickman signed his letter

2458
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:19,490
the Fox because he admired his own

2459
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:21,920
cunning foxes my name very sly you know

2460
01:46:26,170 --> 01:46:24,080
and then he threatened get this straight

2461
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:26,180
your daughter's life hangs by a thread

2462
01:46:30,430 --> 01:46:28,730
Hickman and the girl's father exchanged

2463
01:46:32,410 --> 01:46:30,440
over the next few days as they arranged

2464
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,420
in terms of the ransom will Marian

2465
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:34,400
obediently followed her captors demands

2466
01:46:38,740 --> 01:46:36,890
she never tried to this escape the hotel

2467
01:46:40,890 --> 01:46:38,750
where he kept her Hickman even took her

2468
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:40,900
to a movie she never screams for help

2469
01:46:45,580 --> 01:46:43,970
she remains quiet and still has told

2470
01:46:47,290 --> 01:46:45,590
when Hickman tied her to a chair he

2471
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,300
didn't even bother gagging her because

2472
01:46:52,150 --> 01:46:49,520
there was no real need to right up to

2473
01:46:53,890 --> 01:46:52,160
the end Hickman's last ransom note to

2474
01:46:55,390 --> 01:46:53,900
Marion's father is where the story

2475
01:46:58,750 --> 01:46:55,400
reaches it's disturbing end

2476
01:47:00,250 --> 01:46:58,760
Hickman fills the letter with hurt anger

2477
01:47:03,490 --> 01:47:00,260
over her father's suggestion that

2478
01:47:06,250 --> 01:47:03,500
Hickman might deceive him and ask you

2479
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,260
for $1,500 for a lifeless mass of flesh

2480
01:47:10,780 --> 01:47:08,480
I am based in lo but I won't stoop to

2481
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:10,790
that depth is what had been said as he

2482
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:12,890
read the letter Marion had already been

2483
01:47:15,460 --> 01:47:14,690
chopped up into several lifeless masses

2484
01:47:18,220 --> 01:47:15,470
of flesh

2485
01:47:20,500 --> 01:47:18,230
why taunt the father white feign outrage

2486
01:47:22,170 --> 01:47:20,510
this sort of bizarre taunting was all

2487
01:47:24,910 --> 01:47:22,180
part of the co killer's thrill

2488
01:47:26,350 --> 01:47:24,920
maximizing his sadistic pleasure but

2489
01:47:27,610 --> 01:47:26,360
this was nothing compared to the thrill

2490
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:27,620
Hickman got from murdering helpless

2491
01:47:31,300 --> 01:47:29,810
12-year old Marion Parker here is an old

2492
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,310
newspaper description of the murder

2493
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:33,280
taken from the Pittsburgh post-gazette

2494
01:47:38,770 --> 01:47:35,930
who as well I was fixing the blindfold

2495
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:38,780
that the urge to murder came over me I

2496
01:47:42,820 --> 01:47:40,970
couldn't help myself I got a towel and

2497
01:47:44,740 --> 01:47:42,830
stepped up behind Marion then before she

2498
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:44,750
could move I put it around her neck and

2499
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:47,450
twisted it tightly I held on she made no

2500
01:47:52,290 --> 01:47:49,850
outcry except to girdle I held on for

2501
01:47:54,970 --> 01:47:52,300
about two minutes I guess and I let go

2502
01:47:57,370 --> 01:47:54,980
when I cut loose the fastening she fell

2503
01:47:58,840 --> 01:47:57,380
to the floor I knew she was dead well

2504
01:48:00,700 --> 01:47:58,850
after she was dead I carried her body

2505
01:48:02,620 --> 01:48:00,710
into the bathroom and undressed her all

2506
01:48:04,180 --> 01:48:02,630
but the underwear and cut a hole in her

2507
01:48:05,549 --> 01:48:04,190
throat with a pocket knife to let the

2508
01:48:07,709 --> 01:48:05,559
blood out

2509
01:48:10,259 --> 01:48:07,719
he then took a pocket knife and cut a

2510
01:48:12,540 --> 01:48:10,269
hole in her throat cut off each arm to

2511
01:48:15,149 --> 01:48:12,550
the elbow cut her legs off at the knees

2512
01:48:16,919 --> 01:48:15,159
he put the limbs in the cabinet he cut

2513
01:48:19,020 --> 01:48:16,929
up the body in his room at the Bellevue

2514
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,030
Arms Apartments then he removed the

2515
01:48:23,849 --> 01:48:21,760
clothing and cut the body through it the

2516
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:23,859
waist he put it on a shelf in the

2517
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:24,729
dressing room

2518
01:48:29,429 --> 01:48:27,010
he placed a towel in the body to drain

2519
01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:29,439
the blood the draft up the exposed end

2520
01:48:33,419 --> 01:48:31,780
of the arm and waist with paper he

2521
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:33,429
coming back her hair powdered her face

2522
01:48:37,169 --> 01:48:34,719
and then with a needle of fixed her

2523
01:48:39,209 --> 01:48:37,179
eyelids he did this because he realized

2524
01:48:40,829 --> 01:48:39,219
he would lose the reward if he did not

2525
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:40,839
have the body to produce to her father

2526
01:48:48,779 --> 01:48:45,249
so this is this is what he was doing as

2527
01:48:51,059 --> 01:48:48,789
he wrote that no dark stuff Pickman

2528
01:48:53,069 --> 01:48:51,069
packed her body limbs and entrails into

2529
01:48:55,139 --> 01:48:53,079
a car and drove to the drop-off point to

2530
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:55,149
pick up his ransom along the way he

2531
01:48:59,549 --> 01:48:57,129
tossed out wrapped up limbs and innards

2532
01:49:00,779 --> 01:48:59,559
scattering them around Los Angeles they

2533
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:00,789
arrived at the meeting point

2534
01:49:05,429 --> 01:49:03,129
Hickman pulled Marion's head and torso

2535
01:49:07,079 --> 01:49:05,439
out of a suitcase and propped her up her

2536
01:49:09,629 --> 01:49:07,089
torso was wrapped tightly to look like

2537
01:49:11,609 --> 01:49:09,639
she was alive he sewed wires into her

2538
01:49:13,619 --> 01:49:11,619
eyelids to keep them open so that she'd

2539
01:49:15,029 --> 01:49:13,629
appear to be awakened alive when

2540
01:49:17,399 --> 01:49:15,039
Merriam's father arrived

2541
01:49:19,559 --> 01:49:17,409
Hickman pointed a sawed-off shotgun at

2542
01:49:21,449 --> 01:49:19,569
him showed a Marion's head and eyes sewn

2543
01:49:23,099 --> 01:49:21,459
open it went it would have been hard to

2544
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:23,109
see for certain that she was dead from

2545
01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:25,209
his position and then took the ransom

2546
01:49:29,819 --> 01:49:28,030
money and sped away as he sped away

2547
01:49:31,739 --> 01:49:29,829
he threw Miriam's head and torso out of

2548
01:49:33,299 --> 01:49:31,749
the car and that's what the father ran

2549
01:49:36,139 --> 01:49:33,309
up to when he saw his daughter and

2550
01:49:39,839 --> 01:49:36,149
screamed Jesus Christ

2551
01:49:44,759 --> 01:49:39,849
yeah that is I mean that's about as dark

2552
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:44,769
as it gets and you know for Rand to

2553
01:49:52,109 --> 01:49:48,550
think of this person as someone to be

2554
01:49:56,549 --> 01:49:52,119
admired obviously it shows that you know

2555
01:50:00,389 --> 01:49:56,559
she's taken this ideal in her mind you

2556
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:00,399
know this rational self-interest and has

2557
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:03,010
taken it to a pathological extreme

2558
01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:07,119
mm-hmm so you know I can go on a bit

2559
01:50:14,729 --> 01:50:10,030
more but I think when her father was

2560
01:50:16,909 --> 01:50:14,739
damask elated in front of her and lost

2561
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:16,919
everything at the hands of what she

2562
01:50:24,140 --> 01:50:18,930
perceived as

2563
01:50:28,450 --> 01:50:24,150
you know society or the forces of the

2564
01:50:33,170 --> 01:50:28,460
mob or you know community or other

2565
01:50:37,010 --> 01:50:33,180
people she kind of related to her

2566
01:50:39,020 --> 01:50:37,020
father's indignation and individualism

2567
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:39,030
to such a degree that it became this

2568
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:41,880
pathological expression of that that

2569
01:50:46,630 --> 01:50:43,650
would be that trauma well what a Rand

2570
01:50:50,450 --> 01:50:46,640
fans say about this association or this

2571
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:50,460
Hickman appreciation I've never got

2572
01:50:55,130 --> 01:50:52,770
anyone to actually talk about it I've

2573
01:50:57,290 --> 01:50:55,140
mentioned it before and they just kind

2574
01:50:59,690 --> 01:50:57,300
of roll their eyes think that it's just

2575
01:51:00,560 --> 01:50:59,700
fake news sort of a thing you know they

2576
01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:00,570
don't they don't want to even

2577
01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:03,630
acknowledge it hmm I did read a little

2578
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:05,490
bit about it because I was curious and

2579
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:07,770
basically the only thing I could find

2580
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:09,930
was someone who's like these are all

2581
01:51:16,190 --> 01:51:12,690
things taken out of context but it is a

2582
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:16,200
fact that she only talked about Hickman

2583
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:18,810
in her private journals which indicates

2584
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,570
she had a appreciation for him but

2585
01:51:25,340 --> 01:51:23,280
didn't necessarily want it to be out

2586
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,350
there in the open yeah

2587
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:27,360
at least that's how I took that yeah I

2588
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:29,850
think so I think so I think you're

2589
01:51:35,210 --> 01:51:32,250
absolutely right I mean all of her

2590
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:35,220
relationships were very skewed now if

2591
01:51:39,500 --> 01:51:36,960
you've ever done any research into the

2592
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:39,510
collective which is really for the Ayn

2593
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:43,110
Rand fan club / think-tank that's a

2594
01:51:50,270 --> 01:51:47,250
pretty weird name isn't it I mean huh I

2595
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:50,280
mean she was so against collectivism in

2596
01:51:55,940 --> 01:51:53,310
any form and yet she needed her group

2597
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,950
the collective so I I'm just I don't

2598
01:52:02,480 --> 01:51:58,080
have any understanding how that even

2599
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:02,490
came about but is interesting right so

2600
01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:05,250
basically we're just pointed out here I

2601
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,070
guess that libertarianism seems to have

2602
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:10,560
some shaky foundations the shaky

2603
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:13,770
founders yeah I I definitely think so

2604
01:52:20,450 --> 01:52:16,890
when you look into its history in terms

2605
01:52:22,220 --> 01:52:20,460
of how it actually came about there's

2606
01:52:24,730 --> 01:52:22,230
there's definitely corporate special

2607
01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:24,740
interests who are involved in promoting

2608
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:29,670
so I mean Rand just kind of followed on

2609
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:32,760
this promotion and I mean she

2610
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:35,010
she sucked it up she loved it but you

2611
01:52:40,100 --> 01:52:37,250
know it was that they were very

2612
01:52:44,209 --> 01:52:40,110
complimentary to each other in the way

2613
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:44,219
that that was expressed so one of these

2614
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:46,380
corporate groups that was involved in

2615
01:52:52,819 --> 01:52:49,409
promoting libertarianism was the

2616
01:52:55,700 --> 01:52:52,829
foundation for economic freedom and it

2617
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:55,710
was founded by US Chamber of Commerce

2618
01:53:01,850 --> 01:52:59,400
executive Leonard Rhee and his top

2619
01:53:05,390 --> 01:53:01,860
contributors included General Motors

2620
01:53:08,419 --> 01:53:05,400
Chrysler consolidated us in Dupont Gulf

2621
01:53:10,759 --> 01:53:08,429
Oil US Steel noticed a pattern here with

2622
01:53:13,339 --> 01:53:10,769
the American Liberty League Montgomery

2623
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:13,349
Ward Armour and BF Goodrich so a lot of

2624
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:16,170
the same groups that were involved and

2625
01:53:19,790 --> 01:53:17,610
found in the American Liberty League

2626
01:53:21,470 --> 01:53:19,800
were actually involved and found the

2627
01:53:23,450 --> 01:53:21,480
foundation for economic freedom

2628
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:23,460
why wouldn't corporate think tanks

2629
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:25,650
support an ideology that gets rid of all

2630
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:27,570
regulation and gives them free rein I

2631
01:53:33,490 --> 01:53:30,570
mean it just makes too much sense yeah I

2632
01:53:36,290 --> 01:53:33,500
mean the purpose of the F EE and

2633
01:53:39,490 --> 01:53:36,300
libertarianism in general was to

2634
01:53:41,540 --> 01:53:39,500
supplement big business lobbying with

2635
01:53:43,819 --> 01:53:41,550
pseudo-intellectual pseudo economic

2636
01:53:45,709 --> 01:53:43,829
rationale back of its policy and

2637
01:53:49,069 --> 01:53:45,719
legislative attacks on government

2638
01:53:52,850 --> 01:53:49,079
regulations so that's kind of the the

2639
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:52,860
start of it but it really really takes

2640
01:54:00,680 --> 01:53:57,119
off as things are suffering for them in

2641
01:54:05,689 --> 01:54:00,690
terms of the Nixon Watergate situation

2642
01:54:09,259 --> 01:54:05,699
so basically by that point there's no

2643
01:54:13,089 --> 01:54:09,269
faith in politics there's no faith and a

2644
01:54:17,930 --> 01:54:13,099
lot of these more libertarian ideals and

2645
01:54:20,270 --> 01:54:17,940
the response was basically that one of

2646
01:54:24,500 --> 01:54:20,280
the aides for Richard Nixon outlined a

2647
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:24,510
plan to put what he called the GOP on TV

2648
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:27,900
and the idea was to basically create a

2649
01:54:34,279 --> 01:54:32,159
news network that would and initially

2650
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:34,289
basically what it was this wasn't when

2651
01:54:40,370 --> 01:54:37,170
it was Fox News but when it was another

2652
01:54:40,580 --> 01:54:40,380
name let me see here I can find it real

2653
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:40,590
quick

2654
01:54:46,330 --> 01:54:44,730
so when Ailes founded television news

2655
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:46,340
incorporated

2656
01:54:53,290 --> 01:54:48,080
she called fair and balanced in the

2657
01:54:58,180 --> 01:54:53,300
1970s basically it was this company that

2658
01:55:01,000 --> 01:54:58,190
would make propaganda and then they

2659
01:55:04,839 --> 01:55:01,010
would sell it at cut-rate prices almost

2660
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,849
fire sale prices to different networks

2661
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:07,040
and so it was basically a way to

2662
01:55:13,780 --> 01:55:10,130
generate content that would be picked up

2663
01:55:15,850 --> 01:55:13,790
all over the place and would cost them

2664
01:55:19,089 --> 01:55:15,860
you know a lot less than producing it

2665
01:55:21,700 --> 01:55:19,099
themselves but it was just to kind of

2666
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:21,710
get the word out there kind of a thing

2667
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:25,010
and eventually that did grow into Fox

2668
01:55:30,089 --> 01:55:28,010
News but it was in the words of a news

2669
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:30,099
director who quit in protest a

2670
01:55:34,450 --> 01:55:32,810
propaganda machine that's that's what it

2671
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:34,460
was pure and simple it was just a

2672
01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:36,380
propaganda machine to put out this

2673
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:40,310
libertarian message so that has

2674
01:55:49,060 --> 01:55:44,840
basically you know resulted in a large

2675
01:55:51,820 --> 01:55:49,070
number of people being brainwashed to a

2676
01:55:53,859 --> 01:55:51,830
degree into this sort of thinking that

2677
01:55:55,660 --> 01:55:53,869
if we get rid of all government

2678
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:55,670
authority it's always government it's

2679
01:55:59,680 --> 01:55:57,290
never corporate they don't ever look at

2680
01:56:01,990 --> 01:55:59,690
the corporate side of power they say you

2681
01:56:05,470 --> 01:56:02,000
know if we just get rid of government I

2682
01:56:07,540 --> 01:56:05,480
won't be taxed as much as I am I'll be

2683
01:56:09,370 --> 01:56:07,550
able to you know I mean or a very tiny

2684
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:09,380
government that barely does anything

2685
01:56:14,229 --> 01:56:11,510
really other than I guess make sure that

2686
01:56:15,820 --> 01:56:14,239
the the streets are paved and businesses

2687
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:15,830
don't catch fire so that business and

2688
01:56:23,770 --> 01:56:19,610
keep going on but this idea basically

2689
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:23,780
comes out of this backlash that happened

2690
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:26,320
after the Nixon Watergate scandal and

2691
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:32,320
the overall wave of progressive and

2692
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:35,570
socialistic legislation that had gotten

2693
01:56:43,930 --> 01:56:39,440
passed after the New Deal and during the

2694
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:43,940
60s and 70s so it was basically designed

2695
01:56:48,459 --> 01:56:46,159
to help dismantle that and today we

2696
01:56:51,459 --> 01:56:48,469
we've seen the result is that most of

2697
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:51,469
that legislation which was built up over

2698
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:53,770
about four-year fifty years has

2699
01:56:58,300 --> 01:56:56,570
completely gone there's there's nothing

2700
01:57:00,010 --> 01:56:58,310
left of it for the most part just best

2701
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:00,020
to choose if anything

2702
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:03,050
now should we go ahead and start talking

2703
01:57:08,500 --> 01:57:05,450
about the Russian Revolution of more

2704
01:57:11,460 --> 01:57:08,510
deep I could talk briefly about fascism

2705
01:57:14,170 --> 01:57:11,470
and socialism or jewelry discipline yeah

2706
01:57:17,380 --> 01:57:14,180
well I think it'd be important just so

2707
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,390
we can say that we were even-handed in

2708
01:57:22,210 --> 01:57:19,760
the discussion about fascism and its

2709
01:57:24,490 --> 01:57:22,220
many rappers and then from there yeah we

2710
01:57:29,110 --> 01:57:24,500
can go into beasts men and gods in that

2711
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:29,120
whole chapter okay so one thing about

2712
01:57:33,730 --> 01:57:31,010
all this and I and I you know I can kind

2713
01:57:38,230 --> 01:57:33,740
of hear the the arguments going in my

2714
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:38,240
head is you know well fascism Nazis

2715
01:57:43,420 --> 01:57:39,650
weren't really fascist they were

2716
01:57:46,210 --> 01:57:43,430
socialist and one of the problems with

2717
01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:46,220
this is that in name they had the name

2718
01:57:51,610 --> 01:57:50,030
National Socialist Party but the thing

2719
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:51,620
is that when you actually look at what

2720
01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:53,570
they did in terms of their actual

2721
01:57:59,080 --> 01:57:56,000
policies like there were there are a few

2722
01:58:01,180 --> 01:57:59,090
places where they were you know the

2723
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:01,190
industry had completely fallen apart and

2724
01:58:08,170 --> 01:58:04,730
they did nationalize it for preparation

2725
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:08,180
for this war effort but aside from that

2726
01:58:14,820 --> 01:58:10,850
there wasn't really any takeover of

2727
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:14,830
industry or anything like that or any

2728
01:58:21,850 --> 01:58:16,610
regulation of normally functioning

2729
01:58:24,910 --> 01:58:21,860
industry so it was basically a way to

2730
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:24,920
provide an authoritarian hierarchy that

2731
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:28,370
would express corporate and industrial

2732
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:30,650
interests especially after the during

2733
01:58:36,190 --> 01:58:32,930
and after the war the build-up all this

2734
01:58:37,780 --> 01:58:36,200
stuff you can see that there was this

2735
01:58:41,710 --> 01:58:37,790
link with industrialists in other

2736
01:58:45,180 --> 01:58:41,720
countries like America and you know this

2737
01:58:47,620 --> 01:58:45,190
attempted coup in the United States and

2738
01:58:51,610 --> 01:58:47,630
all these links with industrialists in

2739
01:58:56,290 --> 01:58:51,620
Britain as well so that's something that

2740
01:58:58,930 --> 01:58:56,300
I think needs to be addressed mm-hmm and

2741
01:59:01,740 --> 01:58:58,940
I think that's pretty much it I think

2742
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:01,750
we've gone through everything right on

2743
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:04,400
yeah I mean that is just a real

2744
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:07,730
whirlwind of information a fascism 101

2745
01:59:12,430 --> 01:59:10,850
that I think is pretty appropriate I

2746
01:59:13,839 --> 01:59:12,440
know I learned some things for sure

2747
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:13,849
hopefully

2748
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:16,010
people agree and it is kind of tough to

2749
01:59:20,799 --> 01:59:18,050
navigate these waters sometimes because

2750
01:59:24,369 --> 01:59:20,809
it does get political and there is so

2751
01:59:26,229 --> 01:59:24,379
much emotion around a person's ideology

2752
01:59:28,540 --> 01:59:26,239
and politics that they're very guarded

2753
01:59:31,149 --> 01:59:28,550
to hear it criticized or they'll pay

2754
01:59:34,149 --> 01:59:31,159
attention to making sure there was a

2755
01:59:35,859 --> 01:59:34,159
50/50 split between criticisms of both

2756
01:59:39,219 --> 01:59:35,869
sides because people just think

2757
01:59:41,979 --> 01:59:39,229
everything is an OP and that ideas

2758
01:59:43,959 --> 01:59:41,989
aren't implemented necessarily the way

2759
01:59:47,229 --> 01:59:43,969
they're talked about everybody gets very

2760
01:59:49,509 --> 01:59:47,239
skeptical of that notion as well so it's

2761
01:59:52,589 --> 01:59:49,519
a bit of a ideological minefield to

2762
01:59:56,529 --> 01:59:52,599
navigate but I do think we talked about

2763
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:56,539
both sides and at its core we're talking

2764
02:00:02,709 --> 01:59:59,840
about corporate collusion rule by

2765
02:00:04,419 --> 02:00:02,719
Authority and these are ideas that

2766
02:00:07,659 --> 02:00:04,429
anyone should be able to say yeah I

2767
02:00:10,449 --> 02:00:07,669
don't support that so you know maybe cut

2768
02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:10,459
through some of the manipulation and

2769
02:00:13,959 --> 02:00:12,409
propaganda and just see at the core

2770
02:00:17,409 --> 02:00:13,969
we're talking about trying to free

2771
02:00:20,409 --> 02:00:17,419
people right absolutely absolutely

2772
02:00:22,540 --> 02:00:20,419
that's what it's really about and the

2773
02:00:25,299 --> 02:00:22,550
last thing I would have to say is take a

2774
02:00:28,419 --> 02:00:25,309
few minutes and go listen to the audio

2775
02:00:29,949 --> 02:00:28,429
snippet I said - and I'll think for you

2776
02:00:31,629 --> 02:00:29,959
that it you know it kind of ties

2777
02:00:35,949 --> 02:00:31,639
everything together at the end

2778
02:00:38,139 --> 02:00:35,959
right on well man this has been a bit of

2779
02:00:41,469 --> 02:00:38,149
a marathon session again I do think it's

2780
02:00:44,319 --> 02:00:41,479
important stuff I guess I would also ask

2781
02:00:46,899 --> 02:00:44,329
you before we go I mean is there

2782
02:00:50,020 --> 02:00:46,909
anything else to say about the return to

2783
02:00:51,659 --> 02:00:50,030
the elemental alchemy series anything to

2784
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:51,669
say in terms of the preview for the next

2785
02:00:59,229 --> 02:00:57,050
element on the list so I was planning on

2786
02:01:03,129 --> 02:00:59,239
getting back to the elemental series and

2787
02:01:05,859 --> 02:01:03,139
going to the fire episode next and then

2788
02:01:07,419 --> 02:01:05,869
later on I would get to the mind at the

2789
02:01:11,709 --> 02:01:07,429
so we just went through so much

2790
02:01:14,589 --> 02:01:11,719
psychology and so much but we started to

2791
02:01:16,899 --> 02:01:14,599
get into some brain structure and things

2792
02:01:21,129 --> 02:01:16,909
like that and I think that if we go to

2793
02:01:24,549 --> 02:01:21,139
the mind episode next I can really fill

2794
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:24,559
in the whole psychological framework and

2795
02:01:29,290 --> 02:01:27,290
give people a bit more depth

2796
02:01:32,290 --> 02:01:29,300
on some of these concepts that we're

2797
02:01:37,540 --> 02:01:32,300
bringing up and the link between mind

2798
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:37,550
and spirituality and quantum biology and

2799
02:01:43,630 --> 02:01:40,130
things like that and being able to get

2800
02:01:46,300 --> 02:01:43,640
into kind of how a lot of this stuff

2801
02:01:50,740 --> 02:01:46,310
really freakin works get into a user

2802
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:50,750
manual for the mind yeah I'm into it I

2803
02:01:54,610 --> 02:01:52,250
think that'd be great

2804
02:01:55,990 --> 02:01:54,620
yeah I just think it'll complement this

2805
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:56,000
and then we can move on and blast

2806
02:02:00,460 --> 02:01:57,850
through the rest of the elemental series

2807
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:00,470
sure man awesome

2808
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:03,890
well I can always enjoy having you here

2809
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:06,290
I will let you enjoy the rest your day

2810
02:02:11,830 --> 02:02:10,370
cuz this has been a long one yeah but we

2811
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:11,840
will be doing it again and until that

2812
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:14,770
time take care out there take it easy

2813
02:02:20,710 --> 02:02:18,530
sweet baby Jesus dear people of the

2814
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:20,720
internet the triumphant return -

2815
02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:23,570
Imagineer taking a break from elements

2816
02:02:28,450 --> 02:02:26,030
to talk about ideologies and I'll tell

2817
02:02:31,450 --> 02:02:28,460
you I was a little hesitant at first I

2818
02:02:34,090 --> 02:02:31,460
thought it might be I don't know a bit

2819
02:02:36,670 --> 02:02:34,100
sober for THC and probably even a bit

2820
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:36,680
polarizing and triggering although

2821
02:02:41,170 --> 02:02:38,570
fascism should be something we all

2822
02:02:43,330 --> 02:02:41,180
oppose on a conspiracy show if we could

2823
02:02:45,490 --> 02:02:43,340
just recognize it appropriately which is

2824
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:45,500
really what this was all about so I'm

2825
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:47,330
really glad we did it I think it has a

2826
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:50,480
unique place in the archive and it's a

2827
02:02:54,610 --> 02:02:53,090
topic worth focusing on it just does get

2828
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:54,620
a little dicey when you bring up certain

2829
02:02:58,870 --> 02:02:56,930
ideologies because so many people have

2830
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:58,880
their minds made up or their definition

2831
02:03:02,470 --> 02:03:00,560
of something might be way off from

2832
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:02,480
another person's definition and we're

2833
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:05,360
all playing straw man games these are

2834
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:06,650
some of the most loaded and

2835
02:03:11,490 --> 02:03:09,050
propagandized terms in human history so

2836
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:11,500
of course people have strong reactions

2837
02:03:15,670 --> 02:03:13,850
but because they're so twisted up I

2838
02:03:17,950 --> 02:03:15,680
think that's why we should be open to

2839
02:03:20,770 --> 02:03:17,960
just unpacking them and taking an

2840
02:03:22,810 --> 02:03:20,780
objective look but I do agree that the

2841
02:03:24,970 --> 02:03:22,820
correct framing is that we have a false

2842
02:03:27,610 --> 02:03:24,980
dichotomy of leftist ideologies that

2843
02:03:29,740 --> 02:03:27,620
promote state power right ideologies

2844
02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:29,750
that promote corporate power but

2845
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:31,690
nobody's really pushing for people power

2846
02:03:37,150 --> 02:03:34,310
maybe we could look at third options if

2847
02:03:40,300 --> 02:03:37,160
we were open-minded enough to get over

2848
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:40,310
ourselves I mean I still wrestle with a

2849
02:03:42,970 --> 02:03:40,730
lot of

2850
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:42,980
his ideas but I think if you're gonna be

2851
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:45,440
fair we were pretty even-handed and

2852
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:47,810
balanced and it's really just food for

2853
02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:48,530
thought

2854
02:03:52,780 --> 02:03:50,480
although the info about corporations

2855
02:03:55,630 --> 02:03:52,790
changing after the Civil War and the

2856
02:03:58,030 --> 02:03:55,640
attempted coup on FDR that's super

2857
02:04:00,820 --> 02:03:58,040
interesting history but just in the

2858
02:04:02,380 --> 02:04:00,830
context of our current times I like to

2859
02:04:04,570 --> 02:04:02,390
think that a lot of higher side

2860
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:04,580
listeners are a bit above the political

2861
02:04:09,190 --> 02:04:07,730
infighting but we all see it and I said

2862
02:04:11,229 --> 02:04:09,200
this in the show but everything's

2863
02:04:13,780 --> 02:04:11,239
getting so extreme that no one is even

2864
02:04:16,510 --> 02:04:13,790
talking cooperation it's all about

2865
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:16,520
winning and this mindset of if the other

2866
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:18,320
side would just get the [\h__\h] out of the

2867
02:04:22,870 --> 02:04:20,960
way of my team's ideas we could fix

2868
02:04:25,210 --> 02:04:22,880
everything and it's like yeah fix

2869
02:04:26,620 --> 02:04:25,220
everything for you but the road to

2870
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:26,630
tyranny is paved with good intentions

2871
02:04:32,290 --> 02:04:30,170
and gridlock is the goal so powerful

2872
02:04:34,180 --> 02:04:32,300
[\h__\h] can get you so frustrated with it

2873
02:04:35,770 --> 02:04:34,190
that you approve the bulldozing of the

2874
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:35,780
parts of the system that they don't like

2875
02:04:41,229 --> 02:04:37,970
and again it's not gonna do anything for

2876
02:04:43,180 --> 02:04:41,239
you I'm not trying to be preachy and I

2877
02:04:45,460 --> 02:04:43,190
have no political scientist but I do

2878
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:45,470
think any and all systems have been

2879
02:04:51,100 --> 02:04:48,080
corrupted by top-down control with

2880
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:51,110
rigged economics violence exploitation

2881
02:04:57,130 --> 02:04:54,170
and cronyism all of them so it's really

2882
02:04:59,410 --> 02:04:57,140
disingenuous to look back at history or

2883
02:05:02,620 --> 02:04:59,420
the current climate and see one of these

2884
02:05:05,620 --> 02:05:02,630
clearly corrupt social examples and say

2885
02:05:06,940 --> 02:05:05,630
to someone oh that's what you want look

2886
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:06,950
at all those people who suffered under

2887
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:08,930
that system you want to bring that back

2888
02:05:13,990 --> 02:05:11,570
and it's like no of course not

2889
02:05:16,150 --> 02:05:14,000
it's like Sherman said you can't find

2890
02:05:18,729 --> 02:05:16,160
examples of free fair and open

2891
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:18,739
civilizations those were wiped out

2892
02:05:23,410 --> 02:05:20,930
history does not want those examples to

2893
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:23,420
be highlight a bowl or for them to exist

2894
02:05:30,180 --> 02:05:26,960
today it's a lot like vaccine studies

2895
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:30,190
the CDC never did mmm our studies on

2896
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:33,040
non-vaccinated versed vaccinated groups

2897
02:05:38,140 --> 02:05:36,290
only kids vaccinated to the schedule and

2898
02:05:41,290 --> 02:05:38,150
ones where the schedule was extended and

2899
02:05:43,390 --> 02:05:41,300
even that was very telling but the point

2900
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:43,400
is the planets puppet-masters do not

2901
02:05:48,070 --> 02:05:46,130
want us to have clear answers because we

2902
02:05:50,590 --> 02:05:48,080
can unite around clear answers and

2903
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:50,600
theory and that's just what a lot of

2904
02:05:54,620 --> 02:05:52,370
this is it's just theory talk because

2905
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:54,630
it's not like a complete overhaul of our

2906
02:05:59,629 --> 02:05:56,610
seidel structure is even on the table

2907
02:06:01,729 --> 02:05:59,639
for us but maybe if we could point our

2908
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:01,739
pitchforks at both the authoritarian

2909
02:06:06,050 --> 02:06:03,570
government and the rigged corporate

2910
02:06:08,180 --> 02:06:06,060
cabal instead of each other we might

2911
02:06:10,910 --> 02:06:08,190
start to move the needle our way for a

2912
02:06:12,649 --> 02:06:10,920
change maybe and there isn't just one

2913
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:12,659
answer for this I don't really think she

2914
02:06:16,669 --> 02:06:14,400
Minds was trying to shove one answer

2915
02:06:18,919 --> 02:06:16,679
down anybody's throat although we did

2916
02:06:20,479 --> 02:06:18,929
torch some sacred cows and I don't

2917
02:06:22,850 --> 02:06:20,489
really mind making that kind of trouble

2918
02:06:25,790 --> 02:06:22,860
it just doesn't seem like people are

2919
02:06:27,379 --> 02:06:25,800
free to talk openly anymore I'm reminded

2920
02:06:29,649 --> 02:06:27,389
of something Dave Chappelle said in his

2921
02:06:31,879 --> 02:06:29,659
latest special which was the effect of

2922
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:31,889
people who care about freedom have a

2923
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:34,290
responsibility to talk recklessly

2924
02:06:38,419 --> 02:06:37,110
because I worry my kids will grow up in

2925
02:06:41,120 --> 02:06:38,429
a world where they don't even know what

2926
02:06:42,169 --> 02:06:41,130
reckless talk sounds like and not that

2927
02:06:44,180 --> 02:06:42,179
the show is reckless

2928
02:06:46,070 --> 02:06:44,190
in fact Jomon jr. puts a lot of work

2929
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,080
into getting ready for a THC and I

2930
02:06:50,479 --> 02:06:48,480
really appreciate that effort but the

2931
02:06:51,919 --> 02:06:50,489
point is let's throw around some ideas

2932
02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:51,929
let's put them on the table let's look

2933
02:06:57,020 --> 02:06:54,330
at material the state deemed unfit for

2934
02:06:59,090 --> 02:06:57,030
us let's examine why these various

2935
02:07:01,610 --> 02:06:59,100
structures haven't worked and what it

2936
02:07:03,439 --> 02:07:01,620
would take to make one work let's toss

2937
02:07:05,810 --> 02:07:03,449
around ideas without being completely

2938
02:07:08,090 --> 02:07:05,820
married to them and take a conversation

2939
02:07:11,090 --> 02:07:08,100
to places that not many are really going

2940
02:07:13,550 --> 02:07:11,100
today and I'm on board with that and

2941
02:07:14,780 --> 02:07:13,560
these episodes with Sherman jr. are a

2942
02:07:16,820 --> 02:07:14,790
bit different

2943
02:07:18,620 --> 02:07:16,830
it's not like he writes a book and then

2944
02:07:20,930 --> 02:07:18,630
I read it and then we go over the finer

2945
02:07:22,879 --> 02:07:20,940
points it's more like he's a really

2946
02:07:25,550 --> 02:07:22,889
smart thoughtful passionate guy who

2947
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:25,560
synthesizes a ton of information from a

2948
02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:27,840
ton of sources on a particular topic and

2949
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:31,110
creates a form of presentation for us

2950
02:07:36,070 --> 02:07:34,050
where I occasionally chime in just to

2951
02:07:38,890 --> 02:07:36,080
remind you I'm still here

2952
02:07:41,770 --> 02:07:38,900
but he recorded with me for three plus

2953
02:07:44,230 --> 02:07:41,780
hours which with brakes and side

2954
02:07:46,930 --> 02:07:44,240
conversations it was about four plus all

2955
02:07:49,090 --> 02:07:46,940
the preparation so you got a respect a

2956
02:07:51,340 --> 02:07:49,100
guy who's got nothing to sell you and

2957
02:07:53,890 --> 02:07:51,350
still puts in all that time and

2958
02:07:56,740 --> 02:07:53,900
thoughtfulness to making a good case for

2959
02:07:59,410 --> 02:07:56,750
something that he cares about and even

2960
02:08:01,720 --> 02:07:59,420
still he did have some addendums that

2961
02:08:04,180 --> 02:08:01,730
got missed he wanted me to add he did

2962
02:08:06,940 --> 02:08:04,190
send me an article about the origins of

2963
02:08:09,220 --> 02:08:06,950
engineering as a profession and how the

2964
02:08:11,890 --> 02:08:09,230
way that it's taught is actually infused

2965
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:11,900
with authoritarian concepts it's too

2966
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:13,610
long to read but it's just a great

2967
02:08:19,180 --> 02:08:16,400
example of how we are brainwashed for

2968
02:08:21,700 --> 02:08:19,190
top-down control almost everywhere and

2969
02:08:23,980 --> 02:08:21,710
we don't realize it I think that point

2970
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,990
about the nuclear family setting us up

2971
02:08:27,460 --> 02:08:25,760
for the mindset of just following orders

2972
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:27,470
from some father figure

2973
02:08:33,310 --> 02:08:30,890
some goddamn tyrant that's interesting I

2974
02:08:36,370 --> 02:08:33,320
mean I don't know how else I'd want to

2975
02:08:38,830 --> 02:08:36,380
raise my kids but it's worth keeping in

2976
02:08:42,190 --> 02:08:38,840
mind what type of imprinting you're

2977
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:42,200
doing with an operation like that but

2978
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:43,730
yes he did want me to add a few things

2979
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:45,530
so let's do that

2980
02:08:50,650 --> 02:08:48,560
firstly we had plans to get to Europe's

2981
02:08:52,990 --> 02:08:50,660
immigration crisis and tie that into the

2982
02:08:56,020 --> 02:08:53,000
big picture and I'm just gonna quote him

2983
02:08:58,510 --> 02:08:56,030
he said I would argue what's going on in

2984
02:09:00,910 --> 02:08:58,520
Europe with immigration is a kind of

2985
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:00,920
Shock Doctrine or disaster reaction

2986
02:09:05,050 --> 02:09:02,810
solution approach to overcoming the

2987
02:09:07,930 --> 02:09:05,060
social programs afforded to citizens in

2988
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:07,940
those countries the impetus to undermine

2989
02:09:13,900 --> 02:09:10,610
these programs is to make them collapse

2990
02:09:16,150 --> 02:09:13,910
under the added strain which they were

2991
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:16,160
not designed to bear resulting in

2992
02:09:21,130 --> 02:09:18,130
internal conflict and strife

2993
02:09:23,380 --> 02:09:21,140
additionally fear of loss of identity is

2994
02:09:25,570 --> 02:09:23,390
being used to shift demographics that

2995
02:09:28,180 --> 02:09:25,580
are leading to the rise of nationalistic

2996
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:28,190
fronts in these countries the entire

2997
02:09:33,010 --> 02:09:30,530
response has been focused on the effects

2998
02:09:35,710 --> 02:09:33,020
of the refugees and limiting damage to

2999
02:09:37,930 --> 02:09:35,720
the European identity and economy rather

3000
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:37,940
than asking what caused the crisis to

3001
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:39,440
begin with and how to prevent these

3002
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:41,210
people from fleeing their homelands

3003
02:09:46,180 --> 02:09:43,450
believe me nobody wants to be a refugee

3004
02:09:48,430 --> 02:09:46,190
why has the response not been to

3005
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:48,440
organize relief efforts and peaceful

3006
02:09:51,220 --> 02:09:49,730
solutions to the conflict

3007
02:09:53,110 --> 02:09:51,230
that have given rise to the refugee

3008
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:53,120
crisis in order to stem the tide before

3009
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:53,690
a flood

3010
02:09:58,570 --> 02:09:56,239
isn't this the more logical and ethical

3011
02:10:00,970 --> 02:09:58,580
response to a humanitarian disaster of

3012
02:10:03,190 --> 02:10:00,980
such proportions by allowing these

3013
02:10:05,110 --> 02:10:03,200
disasters to continue unabated and

3014
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:05,120
focusing on the effects I believe the

3015
02:10:09,310 --> 02:10:07,280
conditions are being created for fascist

3016
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:09,320
policies to become central to the

3017
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:11,090
political development of Europe and

3018
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:13,280
that's a sentiment many guests have

3019
02:10:18,250 --> 02:10:15,410
really shared with me on an affair that

3020
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:18,260
the globalists feel that Europeans have

3021
02:10:23,260 --> 02:10:20,480
too many benefits so you break the

3022
02:10:26,050 --> 02:10:23,270
system with immigrants paint them as

3023
02:10:28,060 --> 02:10:26,060
freeloaders to all the citizens how much

3024
02:10:30,070 --> 02:10:28,070
better off they'd be if they just paid

3025
02:10:32,410 --> 02:10:30,080
for their own benefits and then collapse

3026
02:10:35,110 --> 02:10:32,420
the sense of communal safety net just a

3027
02:10:37,450 --> 02:10:35,120
road the hell out of that I think that

3028
02:10:39,490 --> 02:10:37,460
makes sense these greedy [\h__\h] are

3029
02:10:41,500 --> 02:10:39,500
always trying to make us get by with

3030
02:10:43,570 --> 02:10:41,510
less and the only things we get out of

3031
02:10:46,180 --> 02:10:43,580
our system are the ones we really really

3032
02:10:48,850 --> 02:10:46,190
fight for and draw the line in the sand

3033
02:10:50,650 --> 02:10:48,860
around look at the countries who get the

3034
02:10:53,290 --> 02:10:50,660
most out of their system on the planet

3035
02:10:55,390 --> 02:10:53,300
and it is probably Europe so when the

3036
02:10:57,700 --> 02:10:55,400
globalists are thinking about who they

3037
02:10:58,229 --> 02:10:57,710
can chip away at that's probably where

3038
02:11:00,910 --> 02:10:58,239
they're looking

3039
02:11:04,270 --> 02:11:00,920
you know we hit libertarians pretty hard

3040
02:11:07,030 --> 02:11:04,280
and they always stick to this taxation

3041
02:11:09,220 --> 02:11:07,040
is theft principle and I think taxation

3042
02:11:11,380 --> 02:11:09,230
is really more of a social contract but

3043
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:11,390
it's a complete shame that we have no

3044
02:11:15,850 --> 02:11:13,610
control over the allocation of funds if

3045
02:11:19,420 --> 02:11:15,860
tax season came around and we all

3046
02:11:21,940 --> 02:11:19,430
contributed 15% or so to fight it in two

3047
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:21,950
categories of our choosing I think we'd

3048
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:24,170
be a lot more ok with it because none of

3049
02:11:28,180 --> 02:11:26,330
us are self-made and the structure of

3050
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:28,190
our society probably should get a small

3051
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:30,770
percentage of our income just for

3052
02:11:34,900 --> 02:11:32,570
setting up the conditions in which we

3053
02:11:37,300 --> 02:11:34,910
can make a living you need this

3054
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:37,310
structure to even do what you do

3055
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:39,920
otherwise it's just [\h__\h] chaos we're

3056
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:41,840
not crouching behind flaming trash cans

3057
02:11:46,660 --> 02:11:43,760
in the streets avoiding machine-gun clad

3058
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:46,670
militias so is it that bad to contribute

3059
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:48,650
to the ongoing avoidance of a full-scale

3060
02:11:54,610 --> 02:11:52,400
war zone and chip into the structure

3061
02:11:57,070 --> 02:11:54,620
that we all appreciate being here at

3062
02:11:59,560 --> 02:11:57,080
least to a degree but on top of those

3063
02:12:01,900 --> 02:11:59,570
comments about the immigration crisis he

3064
02:12:03,689 --> 02:12:01,910
wanted me to say a bit more about beasts

3065
02:12:05,610 --> 02:12:03,699
men and gods now

3066
02:12:08,459 --> 02:12:05,620
if you only heard the free show you have

3067
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:08,469
no idea what that is but just like the

3068
02:12:12,990 --> 02:12:10,210
last show issue mangia near the plus

3069
02:12:16,260 --> 02:12:13,000
portion centers largely around one book

3070
02:12:18,689 --> 02:12:16,270
with some very strange THC type material

3071
02:12:21,660 --> 02:12:18,699
in it in the water episode that book was

3072
02:12:25,439 --> 02:12:21,670
netted Orpha in this episode it's beasts

3073
02:12:27,570 --> 02:12:25,449
men and gods by Ferdinand Sandusky which

3074
02:12:29,700 --> 02:12:27,580
is a largely personal memoir about a

3075
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:29,710
Russian doctors experience running from

3076
02:12:34,140 --> 02:12:32,170
the Bolshevik Revolution in the 1920s a

3077
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:34,150
journey that not only showed him

3078
02:12:37,290 --> 02:12:35,920
firsthand examples of the death and

3079
02:12:39,660 --> 02:12:37,300
destruction associated with the

3080
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:39,670
revolution but also brought him in

3081
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:41,679
contact with many interesting characters

3082
02:12:47,820 --> 02:12:44,890
throughout China Mongolia and Tibet ding

3083
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:47,830
ding ding and much like the exploration

3084
02:12:51,689 --> 02:12:49,690
of a tad Orpha this book is just another

3085
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:51,699
example of some of the odd yet

3086
02:12:55,650 --> 02:12:53,890
consistent details revolving around

3087
02:12:57,930 --> 02:12:55,660
things below the surface

3088
02:13:00,120 --> 02:12:57,940
it contains stories of strange light

3089
02:13:02,430 --> 02:13:00,130
sources inside the earth an ancient

3090
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:02,440
civilization deep underground and that

3091
02:13:08,459 --> 02:13:05,050
the civilization has advanced flying

3092
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:08,469
crafts unknown to man at that time so we

3093
02:13:12,330 --> 02:13:10,810
spent the second hour or should I just

3094
02:13:15,209 --> 02:13:12,340
say the plus portion because it's really

3095
02:13:17,370 --> 02:13:15,219
closer to the third hour but we spent it

3096
02:13:20,250 --> 02:13:17,380
reading from and branching off of these

3097
02:13:22,020 --> 02:13:20,260
themes and this particular book but he

3098
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:22,030
wanted me to emphasize that there's a

3099
02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:23,679
lot more to the story of the bloody

3100
02:13:28,890 --> 02:13:25,420
baron and that it's really worth reading

3101
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:28,900
yourself you can also find audio books

3102
02:13:33,630 --> 02:13:31,840
of it on YouTube but he also mentioned

3103
02:13:35,250 --> 02:13:33,640
that some historians claim that the

3104
02:13:37,770 --> 02:13:35,260
reason the book ends without really

3105
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:37,780
recounting much of how awesome gauss key

3106
02:13:43,169 --> 02:13:40,690
escaped mongolia is because he might

3107
02:13:46,590 --> 02:13:43,179
have stole a great deal of the treasure

3108
02:13:48,870 --> 02:13:46,600
of the Mongolian horde as he fled and

3109
02:13:51,150 --> 02:13:48,880
that he buried it along his route with

3110
02:13:53,370 --> 02:13:51,160
plans to return one day and recover it

3111
02:13:56,270 --> 02:13:53,380
and who doesn't love the idea of buried

3112
02:13:59,400 --> 02:13:56,280
treasure on top of the in earth stuff

3113
02:14:02,220 --> 02:13:59,410
but on that subject because he goes to

3114
02:14:04,050 --> 02:14:02,230
Mongolia and Tibet he is told a few

3115
02:14:06,750 --> 02:14:04,060
stories from the people he interacts

3116
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,760
with about the Inner Earth civilization

3117
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:09,280
of Agartha and the passageway in Tibet

3118
02:14:14,220 --> 02:14:11,920
and in the show we didn't get to the

3119
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:14,230
real gem which is the prophecy of the

3120
02:14:16,919 --> 02:14:15,010
king of the world

3121
02:14:21,180 --> 02:14:16,929
aka the king of Agartha

3122
02:14:23,820 --> 02:14:21,190
so it reads the hatiku of naira bond she

3123
02:14:26,130 --> 02:14:23,830
related the following to me when I

3124
02:14:29,340 --> 02:14:26,140
ascend a ski visited him in his

3125
02:14:31,020 --> 02:14:29,350
monastery in the beginning of 1921 the

3126
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:31,030
king of the world appeared before the

3127
02:14:36,750 --> 02:14:33,610
Lamas in this monastery 30 years ago

3128
02:14:39,479 --> 02:14:36,760
which would be 1890 he made a prophecy

3129
02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:39,489
for the coming half century it was as

3130
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:42,130
follows more and more the people will

3131
02:14:46,140 --> 02:14:44,050
forget their souls and care about their

3132
02:14:48,209 --> 02:14:46,150
bodies the greatest sin and corruption

3133
02:14:50,580 --> 02:14:48,219
will reign on the earth people will

3134
02:14:52,050 --> 02:14:50,590
become as ferocious animals thirsting

3135
02:14:54,600 --> 02:14:52,060
for the blood and death of their

3136
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:54,610
brothers the Crescent will grow dim and

3137
02:15:00,450 --> 02:14:56,890
its followers will descend into beggary

3138
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:00,460
and ceaseless war its conquerors will be

3139
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:02,560
stricken by the Sun but will not

3140
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:04,690
progress upward and twice they will be

3141
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:06,730
visited with the heaviest misfortune

3142
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:09,010
which will end an insult before the eye

3143
02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:11,679
of the other peoples the crowns of Kings

3144
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:14,560
great and small will fall one two three

3145
02:15:19,500 --> 02:15:17,290
four five six seven eight there will be

3146
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:19,510
a terrible battle among all the peoples

3147
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:21,850
the sea will become red the earth and

3148
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:23,679
the bottom of the sea will be strewn

3149
02:15:28,890 --> 02:15:26,050
with bones kingdoms will be scattered

3150
02:15:31,890 --> 02:15:28,900
whole peoples will die hunger disease

3151
02:15:34,590 --> 02:15:31,900
crimes unknown to the law never before

3152
02:15:37,110 --> 02:15:34,600
seen in the world the forgotten and

3153
02:15:38,459 --> 02:15:37,120
pursued shall rise and hold the

3154
02:15:41,130 --> 02:15:38,469
attention of the whole world

3155
02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:41,140
there will be fogs and storms bare

3156
02:15:45,870 --> 02:15:43,330
mountains shall suddenly be covered with

3157
02:15:47,790 --> 02:15:45,880
forests earthquakes will come millions

3158
02:15:50,070 --> 02:15:47,800
will change the fetters of slavery and

3159
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:50,080
humiliation for hunger disease and death

3160
02:15:53,939 --> 02:15:52,330
the ancient roads will be covered with

3161
02:15:56,189 --> 02:15:53,949
crowds wandering from one place to

3162
02:15:59,250 --> 02:15:56,199
another the greatest and most beautiful

3163
02:16:01,620 --> 02:15:59,260
city shall perish in fire one two three

3164
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:01,630
father shall rise again son brother

3165
02:16:06,090 --> 02:16:03,730
against brother and mother against

3166
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:06,100
daughter vice crime and the destruction

3167
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:08,890
of body and soul shall follow family

3168
02:16:13,649 --> 02:16:11,110
shall be scattered truth and love shall

3169
02:16:16,290 --> 02:16:13,659
disappear from ten thousand men one

3170
02:16:18,570 --> 02:16:16,300
shall remain he shall be nude and mad

3171
02:16:21,300 --> 02:16:18,580
and without force and the knowledge to

3172
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:21,310
build him a house and find his food he

3173
02:16:26,879 --> 02:16:24,070
will howl as a raging wolf devoured dead

3174
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:26,889
bodies bite his own flesh and challenge

3175
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:29,110
God to fight all the earth will be

3176
02:16:32,940 --> 02:16:30,850
emptied God will turn away

3177
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:32,950
from it and over it there will be only

3178
02:16:38,129 --> 02:16:35,770
night and death there I shall send a

3179
02:16:40,379 --> 02:16:38,139
people now unknown which she'll tear out

3180
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,389
the weeds of madness and vice with a

3181
02:16:44,550 --> 02:16:42,639
strong hand and will lead those who

3182
02:16:46,500 --> 02:16:44,560
still remain faithful to the spirit of

3183
02:16:48,629 --> 02:16:46,510
man in the fight against evil

3184
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:48,639
they will found a new life on Earth

3185
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:51,040
purified by the death of Nations in the

3186
02:16:57,089 --> 02:16:54,639
fifteenth year which would be 1940 only

3187
02:17:00,419 --> 02:16:57,099
three great kingdoms will appear which

3188
02:17:03,690 --> 02:17:00,429
will exist happily for 71 years until

3189
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:03,700
2011 afterwards there will be 18 years

3190
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:06,610
of war and destruction until 2019

3191
02:17:11,459 --> 02:17:09,250
then the people of Agartha will come up

3192
02:17:14,730 --> 02:17:11,469
from their subterranean caverns to the

3193
02:17:17,310 --> 02:17:14,740
surface of the earth so as your mine

3194
02:17:19,860 --> 02:17:17,320
denier said to me one to two years out a

3195
02:17:21,870 --> 02:17:19,870
garth ins may be walking among us but

3196
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:21,880
nothing much else in the prophecy seems

3197
02:17:26,310 --> 02:17:24,010
to have been too accurate so I wouldn't

3198
02:17:28,980 --> 02:17:26,320
hold your breath but it is a quite

3199
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:28,990
interesting bit of Hollow Earth lore and

3200
02:17:35,970 --> 02:17:31,570
maybe we should just avoid the descent

3201
02:17:37,650 --> 02:17:35,980
into complete divisive nest in case so

3202
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:37,660
check out the plush show to hear that

3203
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:40,240
our largely about the book by our side

3204
02:17:44,310 --> 02:17:43,090
chats plus com sign up on patreon you

3205
02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:44,320
know how to do it

3206
02:17:49,020 --> 02:17:46,570
Shema engineer also wanted me to end the

3207
02:17:51,209 --> 02:17:49,030
show with Tom clays what the world needs

3208
02:17:53,850 --> 02:17:51,219
now unfortunately I can't because of

3209
02:17:56,100 --> 02:17:53,860
commercial rights but I think I got just

3210
02:17:59,129 --> 02:17:56,110
the thing and I'll catch you later

3211
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:59,139
your move international fascists commies

3212
02:18:05,490 --> 02:18:01,120
Nazi survivals and breakaway

3213
02:18:11,550 --> 02:18:05,500
civilizations your [\h__\h] move no the

3214
02:18:15,810 --> 02:18:11,560
plan is always m'kay I'm just trying to

3215
02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:15,820
drain you insane they'll explode your

3216
02:18:23,390 --> 02:18:18,510
heart if they think that's what it means

3217
02:18:26,900 --> 02:18:23,400
you think I'm answering the phone

3218
02:18:29,660 --> 02:18:26,910
you gotta keep that wrong cuz I don't

3219
02:18:32,690 --> 02:18:29,670
want anyone thinking you're at home well

3220
02:18:36,500 --> 02:18:32,700
you're not you should tape the mail slot

3221
02:18:39,530 --> 02:18:36,510
and baby if I leave with drum let me say

3222
02:18:43,310 --> 02:18:39,540
it's cuz I just don't wanna go and get

3223
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:43,320
whacked maybe you should know that the

3224
02:18:50,541 --> 02:18:47,120
trauma of sex you like it does everyone

3225
02:18:54,560 --> 02:18:50,551
it's just the game plan it's where the

3226
02:18:57,500 --> 02:18:54,570
world's become they want a pattern and

3227
02:19:01,460 --> 02:18:57,510
the swap don't you see what's going on

3228
02:19:05,600 --> 02:19:01,470
well now you know you're better came in

3229
02:19:09,500 --> 02:19:05,610
on your uncle's you can see the Masters

3230
02:19:15,230 --> 02:19:09,510
lacking much oh baby you can only trust

3231
02:19:18,590 --> 02:19:15,240
yourself and if you think the system's

3232
02:19:21,430 --> 02:19:18,600
out of touch it is and you can only

3233
02:19:25,590 --> 02:19:21,440
trust yourself

3234
02:19:29,350 --> 02:19:25,600
hope you know baleen aren't your friends

3235
02:19:33,460 --> 02:19:29,360
the suck out everything from you in the

3236
02:19:37,720 --> 02:19:33,470
end and if for some reason you think

3237
02:19:41,770 --> 02:19:37,730
might be wrong I wonder where you got

3238
02:19:44,621 --> 02:19:41,780
that opinion from you gotta keep it

3239
02:19:47,860 --> 02:19:44,631
wrong cuz you don't want anyone thinking

3240
02:19:51,310 --> 02:19:47,870
you're at home well you're not you

3241
02:19:52,631 --> 02:19:51,320
should tape the mail slot and baby if I

3242
02:19:55,180 --> 02:19:52,641
seem withdrawn

3243
02:19:58,720 --> 02:19:55,190
let me say it's cuz I just don't wanna

3244
02:20:02,621 --> 02:19:58,730
go and get whacked maybe you should know

3245
02:20:06,820 --> 02:20:02,631
that the trauma upsets you like it does

3246
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:06,830
everyone it's just the game when it's

3247
02:20:13,450 --> 02:20:10,730
where the world's become they want a pat

3248
02:20:15,960 --> 02:20:13,460
down in the swamp don't you see what's

3249
02:20:19,450 --> 02:20:15,970
going on well now

3250
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:19,460
you're better came in on your own cuz

3251
02:20:29,260 --> 02:20:23,930
you can see the Masters like you much oh

3252
02:20:33,730 --> 02:20:29,270
baby you can only trust yourself and if

3253
02:20:38,700 --> 02:20:33,740
you think the system's out of touch it

3254
02:20:57,060 --> 02:20:38,710
is and you can only trust yourself

3255
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:57,070
[Music]

3256
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:00,800
you might think that these problems are

3257
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:05,330
small maybe they aren't registering at

3258
02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:09,530
all now they know you're naive and

3259
02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:13,730
vulnerable you won't believe I love a

3260
02:21:22,420 --> 02:21:18,770
sense that down home cuz you can see the

3261
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:22,430
math there's not too much oh baby you

3262
02:21:32,050 --> 02:21:27,170
can only trust your snails and if you

3263
02:21:36,520 --> 02:21:32,060
think the systems out of touch it is and

3264
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:36,530
you can only trust yourself because you

3265
02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:40,970
can see the masters lie too much oh baby

3266
02:21:51,250 --> 02:21:46,370
you can only trust yourself and if you

3267
02:21:54,050 --> 02:21:51,260
think the systems out of touch it is and